On 04 Mar 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote:


On 4 Mar 2014, at 9:48 am, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Without listening to that (since I'm at work) I am under the impression that "Carmina Burana" is, at the beginning at least, 4 beats to the bar, not 3?


Maybe I missed the point. I am not "musical" (except that I like listening to music).


You would have to be halfway musical to even pick up on that! Indeed "O Fortuna" (the first song of Orff's "Carmina Burana") is cast in 3 beats to the bar at the opening, certainly when it gets fully under way...

I just checked it on the full orchestral score. This is interesting because the "threeness" of this huge opening is not explicit, which is what I was saying earlier. "Beat" in music is simple arithmatic, yet even with such simple resources as ordinal numbers associating with each other (somehow!) to produce these qualia that gives me an aesthetic impression of circularity is already incredibly advanced and difficult to describe. Tis the magic of the numbers.

Music IS numbers, but the qualia it induces in my consciousness are something else. If I understand that part of comp correctly.

The qualia are not numbers, indeed. No 1p notion at all can be a 3p notion, like numbers are. But a qualia can be associated to some 1p notions, which arise in some of the self-referential machine's talk, when distinguishing the proofs and the truth available by that machine, and taking into account many intensional combinations.

By the way, did you know that some plant loves music. There is even a dancing plant, which seems to dance on classical melody, but not on noise or on too rocky music.

If interested here is a video on plant's mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX6ST7rexs&list=WL20F101EB06378011

Bruno




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