Telmo and Liz: Conspiracy <theory> my foot. It cuts into profits. Moloch is talking.
Gullibility (even the negative one) is based on ignorance, when I first heard about the "global warming" threat (~ 30 years ago) I joked: 'my climate-log is incomplete for the past 30 (300?) million years', so I reserved my opinion' until I got more info realizing that recent societal activity (industrial included) contributes to the greenhouse effect vastly. Then I changed my position and became a fighter against Big Money nonchallantly ruining the Earth for the profit in polluting freely. Best: John M On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:47 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That doesn't narrow it down too much. >> > > Je m'accuse. I was one of them. > > My point was that conspiracy theories, in the sense of power elites > secretly cooperating to further their own interests against the interests > of the majority are not, unfortunately, unusual events in History. We know > of countless examples of this happening in the past. I think it requires > some magical thinking to assume that this type of behaviour is absent from > our own times. > > I further pointed out that broadly discrediting any hypothesis that some > elites might be conspiring against the common good, in broad strokes, seems > to benefit precisely the ones in power. Furthermore, thanks to Snowden, we > now have strong evidence of a large-scale conspiracy by western governments > that I would not believe one year ago. In this case I'm referring to the > secret implementation of global and total surveillance, with our tax money, > by the people we elected, to spy on us, infringing on constitutions. > > I can't help but notice the very common rhetorical trick of using the > nutty conspiracy theories (UFOs, the Illuminati, fake moon landing, etc.) > to discredit the much more mundane and reasonable suspicions of elites > abusing their power. The paper you cite in this thread uses that trick too. > > This broad denial of the existence of conspiracies is silly, if you think > about it. The official explanation for 9/11 is a conspiracy theory: some > religious arab fundamentalists conspired to create a global network of > terrorist cells with the objective of attacking western civilisation. They > hijacked planes and sent them into buildings and so on. If you don't > believe in this explanation, you are then forced to believe in some other > conspiracy. > > Of course conspiracies exist. The current denial of this quite obvious > fact feels Orwellian, to be honest. > > Best, > Telmo. > > >> >> >> On 5 April 2014 22:31, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It was in one of the climate threads. >>> Le 5 avr. 2014 09:11, "LizR" <lizj...@gmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>>> On 4 April 2014 19:35, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2014-04-04 1:29 GMT+02:00 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> "Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds >>>>>> They Believe Conspiracy Theories" >>>>>> >>>>>> Ironically, it looks like they are conspiring to silence any mention >>>>>> of this fact! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-intimidate-journal-into-retracting-paper-that-finds-they-believe-conspiracy-theories >>>>>> >>>>>> PS I know this isn't about "everything" but there seems to be some >>>>>> interest in this topic on this forum. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is strange, because when I did mention that here, the answer was >>>>> that it was perfectly normal and rational to believe in global conspiracy >>>>> theories and irrational not to. >>>>> >>>>> That sounds a slightly strange view, imho. Who said that, may I ask, >>>> and in what context? >>>> >>>> (I will be sending my ninja assassins round to deal with them later, as >>>> per the standing instructions of the Grand High Adepts of the >>>> Illuminati...) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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