On 06 Apr 2014, at 20:36, Telmo Menezes wrote:




On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:47 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2014 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:



On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 1:04 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2014 3:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Sure, I also find it quite likely that powerful fossil fuel companies are lobbying or using even dirtier tricks to discredit AGW theory. On the other hand, this says nothing about the truth status of AGW theory.

Doesn't it? If it weren't true, then dirty tricks wouldn't be needed to discredit it, would they? It could be discredited like the flat earth, creationism, and cigarettes-are-good-for-you theories.

If that was true, the world would be free from religious superstition

So do you classify religion as a conspiracy? Do you think clergy are really all atheists and are just conspiring to fool others?

I subscribe Bruno's and Kim's replies.

But this is besides the point here. You claimed that, if AGW was false, then oil companies would only need to falsify the models to affect political change. If that were true, then it wouldn't be the case that the majority of the world population is religious, because most religious claims are trivially and publicly falsified by the many fields of modern science, from cosmology to archeology.

Only the fairy tales. Then with computationalism, we know (or should know) that for theology *and* science, we might need to backtrack 1500 years to get the right overall conception of reality. "modern science" is still Aristotelian for the fundamentals, and both comp and QM question this basic assumption. The "God" of the scientists might be the God of Plato, which is basically the notion of transcendental truth.

Bruno




Telmo.


Brent


and electing a president that claims to believe in a book of old desert myths would be unthinkable.

Telmo.


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