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Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
Yes, cycles absolutely can be broken, last things first, but first, people
have to see in themselves that something is wrong. This, we must conclude is
fairly, rare. The kind of people I am referring to, are the kind of people,
that over your dead body, get to heaven in a little green boat, as the
kiddie ditty went. On top of this we have unmedicated, and undermedicated,
people with deep personality disorders. The Hatfield-McCoy thing when
applied elsewhere in the world lack the cultural background. Also, there's
no reward to stopping a bad habit, and there's no sufficient incentive to
starting good ones. With the mental problem aspect there is something we can
do, which is medication and therapy. With cultural-religious driven attacks,
this is more complicated. But first, one must have the will and desire to
radically change things, on the ground. The ruling elites, have no great
incentive to do things which halt what is going on, nor, is there a great
enough punishment, if they are doing political malpractice. Thus, the world
rolls on as it has.
It seems to me that you are ignoring a massive incentive to violence arising
from the utter fragmentation of all social structures resulting from an
unending state of war, imposed on the suffering goat herders you seem to
enjoy demonizing in the most colorful language. Afghanistan - which I have
lived in before the Russians - has suffered war imposed on it by the great
powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is easy to blame these victims
of a forty year state of war - counting from the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to understand the degree to which
their lives have become shattered by war. Maybe because it is uncomfortable
to admit our national complicity in the deaths of so many goat and sheep
herders.
Observe the insanity unleashed now in Syria (in which we are again heavily
involved) the monsters on the loose over there and in the Sunni areas of
Iraq - who do you think is backing and funding them (even if through Saudi
etc. proxies).
No doubt monsters are created in war. But more war merely begets more
monsters in an endless and ultimately futile cycle of blood spilling blood.
Have you ever lived in a war zone? I have. I have witnessed the horror of
modern war (as a young teenager); I have looked into empty soul dead eyes of
profoundly traumatized people. have you ever had such experiences?
Those who have truly experienced war tend not to be so enthusiastic about
violence as a means to solving problems, unless they are psychopaths who
enjoy it that is.
Chris
You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly
different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO.
People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them.
Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and
McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and
carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy
feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least)
It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon
others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or
for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that
violence occurs in real life.
I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other"
folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently?
Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own
(apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")?
If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit,
making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures
of life and the exquisite sensation of being.
The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken.
Chris
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From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 1:43 am
Subject: RE: Pluto bounces back!
You assume people do violence for no reason other than that they are "vastly
different" (whatever that really means). This is a faulty assumption -- IMO.
People do violence, in almost every case because violence was done to them.
Violence begets violence... it is a self-perpetuating cycle; a Hatfield and
McCoy wheel that goes endlessly around greased by the bloodshed and
carefully nurtured hatred of a really good feud. (and the Hatfield and McCoy
feud is the stuff of legend in the US at least)
It is a very rare event that anyone visits terrible deadly violence upon
others out of the blue; it is either driven by a criminal profit motive or
for blood revenge because of some grievous perceived or actual injury that
violence occurs in real life.
I am also a little curious what you mean by "vastly different". Are "other"
folk not like you? Is their DNA different? Do their brains work differently?
Or could it be that their own tribal call to violence mirrors your own
(apparent call for violence to be visited upon these hypothetical "others")?
If we stopped feeding into it maybe there would be less of this bad shit,
making a bloody mess of the peaceful enjoyment of the many diverse pleasures
of life and the exquisite sensation of being.
The default is for cycles to keep rolling, but they can be broken.
Chris
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They do not, but their comrades in arms do. Its not your values, its theirs.
People can be vastly, different.
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From: LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>
On 11 June 2014 23:45, spudboy100 via Everything List
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I don't know. To me, a huge fatality count for you homeland, might suggest a
huge response. What if your murderers take your civilized response for
weakness and prepare another attack? This would be my concern.t
How do they do that from solitary confinement?
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