On 20 Sep 2014, at 03:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think that the cerebral stem + the cortex plays a key role, from
the reading of Hobson theory of mind. I say more on this in
"conscience et mécanisme", where I explained also why the Gödelian-
Löbian Theatetus "[]p & p" saves machines and humans from Malcolm
argument that machine can't think, and dream does not exist.
Consciousness is a semantical fixed point which machine get when
observing themselves, which they all do when having to survive in
(a) rich and complex environment(s).
So are they conscious only when "observing themselves"?
Yes, that is why I say, like Russell, that awareness needs a self. The
worm can only be conscious of the water in the grounds if it observes
itself enough to interpret its skin message in term of moving his
bodies.
To get self-awareness, you need one loop more, so that you can make
induction from your own self-representation.
That is why consciousness incarnations in our type of environment (and
reincarnations) need a body and some "computer/cells-or-chemical/brain
to manifest itself. Not to exist, as the existence of matter is
relative to universal numbers and their computations/histories.
Bruno
Brent
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