Hi Telmo,

I have tried the Other Side stuff for a bit, and found it wanting. Steinhart, 
said he had some experiences but decided they were not that significant to 
himself. He is more buzzed, he said, but the beauty of mathematics, 
emotionally. Here is a crowd funded 3D augmented reality game, due out next 
year, called Night Terrors, so much for the paranormal, yes? We maybe, could, 
have the paranormal adventure any time we choose. 


 
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/01/survival-horror-augmented-reality-game-night-terrors-maps-your-house

I cross-posted a message to Ben Goetzel on his "Multiverse" website, as well as 
on Guilio Prisco's Turing-Church website sight concerning Goetzel's 
non-response, to my question to him, about afterlife ideas, if any?  He seemed 
to touch on this in a recent article, as well as his 2006, The Hidden Pattern, 
which I had downloaded, a couple of months ago. Any data or opinion on 
Goetzel's view on all this?

Mitch


 

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From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>
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Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!


 
Hi spudboy,  
   
  
  
I follow Ben Goetzel and have some of the books he recommends on the topic on 
my to-read list.  
  
   
  
  
I remain agnostic on this stuff, and just try to consider the simplest 
explanation, even if it's boring. In the case of this story, this sounds a lot 
like the event was staged by some nice person who cares about the bride. This 
doesn't mean that is the correct explanation, of course.  
  
   
  
  
What I am more curious about are replicable laboratory experiments. Some 
people, like Goetzel, are claiming that results with statistical significance 
are known. Maybe this is a nice opportunity for amateur science, because 
dealing with this topics would still career suicide for many people -- even if 
to find negative results.  
  
   
  
  
Of course believing in the supernatural is absurd -- what does that even mean? 
If, for example, ghosts were real, then this would just mean that current 
scientific theories are incomplete or wrong.  
  
   
  
  
Cheers,  
  
Telmo.   
   
    
    
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:09 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List      
<everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:     
     
      If you know of Ben Goetzel, and Damien Broderick, as well as Eric 
Steinhart, they have claimed Psi experiences, or spiritual experiences, but are 
split on the true significance? At the end of the day, it either works for us, 
or it doesn't.        
        
          
           
          
          
           
          
          
           
          
          
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 From: LizR <          lizj...@gmail.com>          
 To: everything-list <          everything-list@googlegroups.com>          
 Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 7:03 am          
 Subject: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!          
           
           
            
             
 Michael Shermer is the publisher of "Skeptic" magazine, which I used to 
subscribe to - but I could only take so many debunkings, lectures on science, 
and so on, and eventually I cancelled the sub, reasonably well convinced that I 
had by now obtained all the wherewithal I was ever going to need to give 123 
reasons to explain any apparently supernatural event...              
              
              
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anomalous-events-that-can-shake-one-s-skepticism-to-the-core/
              
              
             
 It's also a rather nice story.             
            
            
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