Stathis, probably, Steinhart would agree with you regarding revision, for me,
with the loss of contiguous identity, the succeeding person is merely a clone,
as if you could magically clone a person in some of the fantasy films, or even
like a clone generated by the Everett-De Witt-Wheeler interpretation of quantum
mechanics. It's an copy, but a different person. Now, if either of these
processes possessed psychological continuity of the individual, then initially
at least, we'd have identical iterations of the same, identical, persons. But
this is different than Revision (an earlier proposal).
What seems to be a better, more satisfying theory, is Steinhart's Promotion
Theory, which entails higher intelligences, especially God (The operating
system and hypercomputer of this universe), performing moves, via pipelines, to
a higher universe, in essence, Promotion of processes like us. Steinhart is
sort of a polytheist, and see's God or God's evolving, Dawkin's - style from a
very, very, simple universe. So the whole personality-memory, gets promoted to
a different universe. At that point the person is in an improved circumstance,
and then because of new experiences, begins to diverge from his or her, old
self. We do this now. it's called life.
Back to identity, Steinhart also includes Uploading and Teleportation as
different means to the same destination to VR environments. Steinhart, calls VR
environments, terrariums. And, the Engineers can move, either through
Promotion, Uploading, or Teleportation to multiple environments, with multiple
copies of You to each new space. So Stathis 1, goes to Middle Earth, 2 goes to
Star Trekville, 3 goes to The New Republic, 4, goes to the Age of the Greek
Gods, 5, etc... This, collection of You's that diverge to each environment,
Steinhart calls a Span.
What's the solution to so many versions of us?? Eventually, it could be
resolved by Tipler's Omega Point (an idea) in the far, far, future. Copies
exist via MWI, so why not a few million more added to the pot? Steinhart
definitely, does not endorse this fix, but I am tweaking his work to suit
myself and emotions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!
On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Totally agree, Telmo, regarding communication. On the Bostrom concept of Sims
and, by extension, our reality being a sim, I like the concept, but in a way,
it seems too simple, Rather than life being an illusion, let us conceive that
its the result of a great program running and producing us as a result.
Moreover, our program can be either revised, copied, or both, etc. This is one
reason professor, Eric Steinhart's work seems compelling to me. The following
summary is available from his book, Your Digital Afterlives, but here is a
taste, from Steinhart's website-
http://ericsteinhart.com/FLESH/flesh-chabs.html
The best of these theories is Promotion, but Steinhart views his own idea as
flawed, because he wants it to be progressive rather then regressive. I don't
see the logical regression he seemed concerned about, He did come up with
Revision theory, as workable, however, these are merely, better-off clones of
ourselves, and miss the continuity, that infers identity. Promotion is better,
because it does exactly this, via pipelines, processes, data transfers, as well
as uploading and teleportation. This is one reason I want to see if Ben Goetzel
has an afterlife-resurrection theory, because they both appeared to have come
to the same conclusions, independently, on several other concepts.
Steinhart, like Goetzel, is a computationalist (digitalist) - (5 minute video)
https://youtube.com/devicesupport
Please let me know if you uncover anything concerning Ben Goetzel's views.
Thanks.
"Revision" in this schema is copying with improvements. Provided that the
changes don't remove big chunks of your memory and personality, why should that
affect continuity?
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