Telmo wrote: *"...But what would prevent the public servants from being corrupted like the politicians and using the same trick: "this program you voted for is really nice, but unfortunately it is not possible to implement at the moment"?*
*You might say that then they should be fired. But who does the firing? We get back to electing authorities.* *I am more and more inclined to believe that the only thing that matters is people having better education and good environments to grow up in. When the majority of the people are empathic, non-violent and educated in the main topics, any system works well really." * You really want to 'improve' upon a bad system from inside the same? That will never work out. How to do it from 'outside'? Nobody has the power against the 'powerful' (corrupt, hypocritical) plutocrats, not even the 'leftist' similars. They, too, want to maintain their gaming course, just with changed wording. New winds to blow? that would require a new-and-improved humanity (the dream of Lenin) - BUT with forces strong enough to win over the entire world. Add to the plutocrats the religion-terrorists and you can be desperate indeed. Pity our grandkids for the world we leave for them. Have nice pipe-dreams John Mikes On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 06 May 2015, at 08:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-05-06 3:51 GMT+02:00 meekerdb <[email protected]>: >> >>> On 5/5/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote: >>> >>> On 5 May 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Where does the money go once it's bought votes? >>>> >>>> >>>> It's redistributed. So after the Koch brothers spend $889,000,000 in >>>> the next election to cast 29,816 votes, each of the 129 million voters will >>>> get back $6.88 (plus the $1 they put in plus a share of whatever other big >>>> spenders put in). Actually I think the Bros will be better off buying >>>> attack ads with their billion. >>>> >>> >>> Ah, I see. Since the various interest groups already spend millions on >>> spreading their views via various media, presumably one caveat with QV >>> would be that any form of political advertising or support for parties or >>> editorialising "outside" the system would be illegal, and heavily penailsed >>> if it occurred - otherwise the current system is far more efficient from >>> the viewpoint of the 1%, and they will just stick with using their >>> newspapers and TV channels to support their chosen candidates. >>> >>> >>> I think you're right that such a restriction would be needed; but I >>> don't know whether it's actually proposed that way. I've never studied >>> voting systems much beyond Arrow's theorem, but I know a mathematician >>> who's writing a book about various systems. He's not impressed by >>> quadratic voting: >>> >>> http://rangevoting.org/MonetizedRV.html >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> But what would prevent the rich to invest a one time big thing that would >> outlaw quadratic voting, ensure their wealth and still gives them power >> through a dictator ship ? >> >> It's like you have 3 wishes... The first, I want to have an infinity of >> wishes... They would took over the system as soon as it is in place (if >> they're evil... but that's what is implied here imo). >> >> >> We should perhaps vote for ideas and anonymous programs, without >> financial lobbying. The politicians would be any citizen doing a social >> service. >> > > But what would prevent the public servants from being corrupted like the > politicians and using the same trick: "this program you voted for is really > nice, but unfortunately it is not possible to implement at the moment"? > > You might say that then they should be fired. But who does the firing? We > get back to electing authorities. > > I am more and more inclined to believe that the only thing that matters is > people having better education and good environments to grow up in. When > the majority of the people are empathic, non-violent and educated in the > main topics, any system works well really. > > Telmo. > > >> >> Financial lobbying should not exist, it transforms sickness into an >> economical value, making the health politics into an industry of sickness. >> The hiding of the fact that cannabis can cure cancer illustrates this all >> too well. Programmed obsolescence (and economical and ecological nonsense) >> illustrates it too. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Or am I missing the point? >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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