On 17 Sep 2015, at 17:53, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> If you knew you were immortal why on earth would you
be risk averse?
> Not having a built in biological life span is very different
from being immortal. Immortal means you can't die.
Immortality isn't a deep concept, it just means making sure the
atoms in your biological brain, or its functional equivalent, always
remained in their correct orientation. Immortality is simply a
matter of maintaining organization, and with nanotechnology
that would be easy.
You need an infinitely expanding brain to live an eternity, if not,
you will cycle. You might count that as a kind of immortality though,
but then we must introduce distinction and make more precise what we
mean by that.
> you will eventually die from some accident.
That's why you'd need lots of backup copies stashed in lots of
different places, and with nanotechnology that would be easy.
Only if you suffer from some local attachment. If not "you" are
already distributed in infinitely many "regions" of the tiny sigma_1
reality.
> or illness.
You will never die of illness if you have the ability to ensure
that the atoms in your body always remain in their correct
orientation, and with nanotechnology that would be easy.
You need to bet on some level of description, then it is "easy" is
very large sense of the term. But that will be done, no doubt, at many
different levels, and some people will treat higher level people as
zombies, etc.
> Uploading" isn't some well defined process
Uploading is very well defined,
Once we bet on a description level. I would ask they take into account
the glial cells. I would ask for a package for the nervous system in
the belly which is more dense than we thought.
it's just not achievable yet for technological not scientific or
philosophical reasons: Uploading is the functional equivalent
of a biological brain in electronic form.
Assuming computationalism and, in practice, the correctness of the
choice of the substitution level.
With a bad choice, someone can believe having survived "rather well"
for some weeks, and then realize that there is a problem, the long
term memory is not handled well, or a feeling that something is
different but they can't figure it out, etc. It can be like an altered
state of consciousness, and there are infinities of possibilities.
> You could be "uploaded" today by having a team of people
research your appearance, personality, thinking, preferences,
speech, etc. and incorporating them into a computer program with
sensory inputs and some Watson like AI. It would produce a Max
Headroom like John Clark who would continue to berate Bruno for his
use of pronouns and other signs of intelligence.
Intelligent behavior is a much deeper property than consciousness,
so if it's got John Clark's intelligence (or better) that's good
enough for me.
lol
> Would it be conscious?...who knows.
That is nothing new, that is the same sort of uncertainty every
human being who has ever lived must face. Was the original John
Clark conscious? Only the original John Clark knows for sure.
> Would it be recognizably John Clark...sure.
That is good enough for me.
Hmm... you betray your attraction for some first person elimination.
At least that is coherent with your belief in primary matter.
Bruno
John K Clark
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