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n Sat, Jul 30, 2016 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>
> You have a set of memories
>
> about your past that we can refer to as your "diary".
But there is nothing in the laws of physics to prevent somebody else from
having those exact same memories. You say that diary is mine, but that
other guy would disagree.
> >
> Let's call this
> D.
> We make a copy of you.
> [...]
>
OK stop right there! Bruno says
"*Nothing can duplicate a first person view from its first person point of
view, with or without computationalism. It just does not make any sense. It
duplicates only the 1-view in the 3-1 view picture*."
So although both I and that other fellow (neither of us have any way of
knowing which one of us is the copy and which is the original) have equally
strong memories of writing that diary only one of us has "
*a first person view from its first person point of view*
*", *whatever that means. So that
diary
only belongs to one of us,
but neither of us knows which one and nobody knows how to find out.
> >
> At time t_{-1} you are John Clark (JC_a with
>
> diary Da_0), at time t_0 there is also John Clark
> [...]
> Can we agree on this?
I would agree but Bruno wouldn't, according to him there is something
about me that a physical machine can't duplicate, Bruno is clear as mud
about what that something is but apparently it's important. So one of us is
NOT John Clark but is instead a impostor; maybe I'm the phony, maybe that
other guy who looks like me is. Nobody knows.
> >
> The argument does not hinge on the identity of anyone.
Then why does Bruno insist on using so many personal pronouns when talking
about people duplicating machines and personal identity ?
>
>> >
>> Bruno says that as
>>
>> good as the duplicating machine is "Nothing can duplicate a first
>> person view from its first person point of view, with or without
>> computationalism. It just does not make any sense. It duplicates only the
>> 1-view in the 3-1
>>
>> view picture." If Bruno is correct then even after the duplication no
>> more
>>
>> than one person wrote " What one and only one city will I, that is to say
>> my
>>
>> first person view from my first person point of view, see after I am
>>
>> duplicated?"
>>
>> John
>>
>> Clark just wants to know if that one person is in Moscow
>>
>> or Washington. The question has a one word answer, so which word is it,
>>
>> Moscow or Washington?
>
>
> >
> If you ask any of them, they will say "I did".
>
Certainly they would both say they wrote the diary, and they both would
even think that what they say is true, but if Bruno is right then one of
them is mistaken because according to him there is a mysterious "something"
about John Clark that a physical machine can't duplicate.
> >
> If you ask an external observer, he will say "the person before the
> duplication did".
>
Well sure, but the key question is, where the person before the
duplication is *now.*
I would say that person MUST be in 2 different places because *now* is
after the duplication and that's what the word "
duplication
" means.
> >>
>> If
>>
>> John Clark is right
>> [...]
>>
>
> >
> Are you suffering from depersonalization?
>
John Clark thinks that when discussing matters of this sort the use of
personal pronouns should be minimized.
>
> So you believe that if you are duplicated, then you will experience
> being two persons at the same time?
>
And that is an example of why
John Clark thinks that when discussing matters of
this
sort the use of personal pronouns should be minimized
.
John K Clark
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