There is "time is a measure of change" concept, which lines up with what you're saying: "... 'time' is only a real number..." The numbers are labels, not the change itself.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 9/15/2016 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Sep 2016, at 02:13, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The >> "execution" of the program is timeless and exists in Platonia. So the >> steps of the UD have no duration, they are logically prior to time and >> duration. On the other hand, I think so called "observer moments" must >> have duration in the emergent sense and must overlap. But their relation >> to the UD threads is more aspirational than proven. >> > I think it should be possible to pause and restart at any point a process > underpinning consciousness and leave the stream of consciousness unchanged; > otherwise there would be a radical decoupling of the mental from the > physical. At the limit, this means the process underpinning consciousness > can be cut up into infinitesimals. > > > Infinitesimals, I think not, at least not in Bruno's model. Each thread > of the UD's computation can be cut and restarted, but underlying an > "observer moment" or a "thought" are infinitely many threads and there is > no reference by which you can define cutting them all at "the same time". > So they make the "time" of consciousness essentially real valued. > > > Good point. > > But that is where the "infinitesimal" comes in, I would say, be them in > terms of Cauchy sequences or in term of Non Standard analysis, that's not > important at this stage. It depends on the mathematics of the arithmetical > measure on 1p experiences (we get them trough the math of self-reference, > but are still a long way from an arithmetical Gleason theorem). > > Bruno > > PS wrote this mail yesterday, seems to not have gone through. Sorry if > sent in double exemplars. > > > But the 'time' is only a real number if you can order the events in the > different threads relative to one another. In the materialist theory of > mind that is provided by physical time, the evolution parameter of the wave > function. I think that means that in your theory you have to derive time > in order to locate 'thoughts' or 'observer moments'; they are no givens > that you can assume. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/everything-list/FnHZFBf-Acw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
