In this case we have a lot of threads and along each thread there is an
implicit order (the execution of the UD), but there is no inherent
relative order of the threads.
Brent
On 9/15/2016 9:15 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
There is "time is a measure of change" concept, which lines up with
what you're saying: "...'time' is only a real number..." The numbers
are labels, not the change itself.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 9/15/2016 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Sep 2016, at 02:13, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is
emergent. The "execution" of the program is timeless and
exists in Platonia. So the steps of the UD have no
duration, they are logically prior to time and duration. On
the other hand, I think so called "observer moments" must
have duration in the emergent sense and must overlap. But
their relation to the UD threads is more aspirational than
proven.
I think it should be possible to pause and restart at any point
a process underpinning consciousness and leave the stream of
consciousness unchanged; otherwise there would be a radical
decoupling of the mental from the physical. At the limit, this
means the process underpinning consciousness can be cut up into
infinitesimals.
Infinitesimals, I think not, at least not in Bruno's model.
Each thread of the UD's computation can be cut and restarted,
but underlying an "observer moment" or a "thought" are
infinitely many threads and there is no reference by which you
can define cutting them all at "the same time". So they make
the "time" of consciousness essentially real valued.
Good point.
But that is where the "infinitesimal" comes in, I would say, be
them in terms of Cauchy sequences or in term of Non Standard
analysis, that's not important at this stage. It depends on the
mathematics of the arithmetical measure on 1p experiences (we get
them trough the math of self-reference, but are still a long way
from an arithmetical Gleason theorem).
Bruno
PS wrote this mail yesterday, seems to not have gone through.
Sorry if sent in double exemplars.
But the 'time' is only a real number if you can order the events
in the different threads relative to one another. In the
materialist theory of mind that is provided by physical time, the
evolution parameter of the wave function. I think that means that
in your theory you have to derive time in order to locate
'thoughts' or 'observer moments'; they are no givens that you can
assume.
Brent
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