There is "time is a measure of change" concept, which lines up
with what you're saying: "...'time' is only a real number..." The
numbers are labels, not the change itself.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 9/15/2016 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Sep 2016, at 02:13, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it,
is emergent. The "execution" of the program is
timeless and exists in Platonia. So the steps of the
UD have no duration, they are logically prior to time
and duration. On the other hand, I think so called
"observer moments" must have duration in the emergent
sense and must overlap. But their relation to the UD
threads is more aspirational than proven.
I think it should be possible to pause and restart at any
point a process underpinning consciousness and leave the
stream of consciousness unchanged; otherwise there would
be a radical decoupling of the mental from the physical.
At the limit, this means the process underpinning
consciousness can be cut up into infinitesimals.
Infinitesimals, I think not, at least not in Bruno's
model. Each thread of the UD's computation can be cut and
restarted, but underlying an "observer moment" or a
"thought" are infinitely many threads and there is no
reference by which you can define cutting them all at "the
same time". So they make the "time" of consciousness
essentially real valued.
Good point.
But that is where the "infinitesimal" comes in, I would say,
be them in terms of Cauchy sequences or in term of Non
Standard analysis, that's not important at this stage. It
depends on the mathematics of the arithmetical measure on 1p
experiences (we get them trough the math of self-reference,
but are still a long way from an arithmetical Gleason theorem).
Bruno
PS wrote this mail yesterday, seems to not have gone
through. Sorry if sent in double exemplars.
But the 'time' is only a real number if you can order the
events in the different threads relative to one another. In
the materialist theory of mind that is provided by physical
time, the evolution parameter of the wave function. I think
that means that in your theory you have to derive time in
order to locate 'thoughts' or 'observer moments'; they are no
givens that you can assume.
Brent
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