On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:52 AM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:
> > *Nobody ever used the Turing Machine as an architecture for computation,* > Everybody's architecture for computation without exception can be reduced to a Turing Machine and nobody has ever found anything simpler, aka more fundamental, that could be implemented physically. > > *outside of theoretical domains. Not even Turing himself, for the > simple reason that it would be terribly inefficient.* > Yes, obviously a paper tape would be very very slow so for economic reasons a vast number of bells and whistles are added, but those are all just a matter of engineering convenience, so if you're just talking about philosophy, and for most on this list that's all they're interested in, then they are all irrelevant. *> Computers to this day mostly follow the Von Neumann architecture,* > Most do some don't, such as Dataflow Machines or Graph Reduction Machines. But talking about the difference between Von Neumann architecture and non Von Neumann architecture is like talking about the difference between a steam engine and a gasoline engine while Turing was talking about the laws of thermodynamics. *> It seems clear to me that Turing Machines, Van Neumann Machines and GPUs > are just implementations of something which is purely abstract -- > computation.* > Turing Machines are in a more fundamental category than the other two. All Van Neumann Machines and GPUs are Turing Machines but not all Turing Machines are Van Neumann Machines or GPUs. *> You insist that nobody has been able to produce a computer without using > matter. I agree. What you refuse to consider is the possibility that matter > is the dream of computations,* > All theories need experimental conformation and the above theory has been tested many times and the results have always been negative, people have dreamed of computation but nothing happens, the law of the conservation of mass/energy has always remained true regardless of dreams. John K Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1oy7LzAecQ6VA4pp9XNM_%2BU8dCXE7u-kfnejWyxeFa%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com.
