Ok philosophy head games. We come dancing back to Cartesian Dualism. This is not the way Rene DesCarte would've contanenced me doing this, but think that there are in this happy multiverse, or, awesomely big universe, diff sectors of matter. There! One emerged before the other. How might we prove this? Physics and astronomy, tests, and observation. Now, ask yourself does it work it intellectually and emotionally for thee?? These are the sorts of things that cause you and your compadres here on Everything, to draw breath. For me (and nobody else on this group) Research or conjectures on all this, either produces a afterlife which satisfies me, or it does other pleasing things, like being a new energy source, or make space travel easy, or make galactic travel at impossible speeds. For the other members of this forum, the ones with the 1000 kiloton cerebrums, it does not. You guys do math, or logic, or physics, or other things the cerebral do, when the come out and play. To which I say, Rock on Garth!
-----Original Message----- From: Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 19, 2019 6:18 am Subject: Re: Observation versus assumption On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: ...You insist that nobody has been able to produce a computer without using matter. I agree. What you refuse to consider is the possibility that matter is the dream of computations, and not the other way around. Whatever we are, it seems clear that we are bound to perceive reality as made of matter, but it doesn't follow that matter is the ultimate reality. This is just Plato's Cave with modern language. Telmo. I've been perplexed for 50 years how the idea of immaterialism (that there is something other than matter) came to be. The so-called abstractions - like the definition of the Turing machine you read in a textbook - are just fictions. But fictions can be useful. Maybe there should be a better word for useful fictions. Math is as good as any, for part of that anyway. The old guys, Thales, Democritus, Epicurus, were curious about matter. Where did this bizarre trend towards immaterialism come from? The original sin of philosophy occurred when mathematical and mental (and computational) entities were abstracted away from their material home. @pphilipthrift-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/73aba2da-319b-4a90-b178-4e9340ce4d31%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2101376150.3897756.1563560958306%40mail.yahoo.com.
