> On 17 Sep 2019, at 04:22, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Agnostic, Mind-Brain thing is good with me. According to a brief article, > some theorists have mused about consciousness in the absence of matter. Check > it out. It will either be a good laugh for you, but once in a while, the > 'lofty' stuff works for me. > > As soon as the article mentioned Deepak Chopra I knew that we were deep into > woo-woo territory….
I agree. Yet, to identify mind and brain is still a sort of Woo-Woo act, needing some ontological substance, and making Mechanism false (and thus Darwin, Molecular biology, etc, unless you add non Turing emulable things there, just to save an ontological substance, which is a bit of wishful thinking). But consciousness, like numbers are not made of quark, and biology favours strongly mechanism on non-mechanism. Driesch defended the élan vital due to Descartes inability to solve the reproduction of machine problem, but this has been solved technically by Molecular Biology, and conceptually by Kleene’s second recursion theorem. No matter or substance involved there. Bruno > > Bruce > > From: Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:39 AM spudboy100 via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > It would be (will be?) interesting when we achieve this. Serious, academic > bench computer scientists are actively working on variations of machine > intelligence to make this happen, money to be made. Are you stating that > making a hyper-smart machine is impossible? > > No, I am agnostic about the possibility. Certainly I am not a Cartesian > dualist -- mind-brain identity is the thing..... > > Bruce > > Are you a spiritualist? A Cartesian dualist imputing a magic substance? :-) > > > From: Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:44 AM spudboy100 via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > So, if we develop AI to come up with new, better, equations, this would be > good with you, because, non-human? > Perhaps he could usefully have added: "nor to be in perfect harmony with any > humanly devised equation." > > Bruce > > Go for it, man! First develop your super-intelligent AI.......... And then > see if the world conforms to its predictions...... > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLSR8NfcwfJ%2B%2BGxVWvg76%3Dy1%3DLq4pSkU_wn9CtD3XcV59A%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLSR8NfcwfJ%2B%2BGxVWvg76%3Dy1%3DLq4pSkU_wn9CtD3XcV59A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5FA2F203-D605-4A24-88DB-1FE95AE5FC6D%40ulb.ac.be.
