> On 25 Oct 2019, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 10/25/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 23 Oct 2019, at 20:21, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/23/2019 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> NUMBER explains CONSCIOUSNESS which explains the origin of the physical >>>> MATTER, which explains the origin of the physical human body and its local >>>> consciousness. >>> Which explains NUMBER. >> Which explains the human discovery and conception of the number. > > Number and the conception of number are the same thing.
With mechanism, the numbers, or the combinators (etc.) are taken as primitive. The conception of number is then explained by the mental abilities of the universal Turing machine/numbers. The numbers is the object of study of elementary arithmetic. The conception of numbers is the object of study of anthropology and or computer science. > That's why it's an abstract concept. There could be no number 2 without the > concept of two things being similar and so in the same class. Without this > conceptual relation, s() would just be marks on paper. Then physics before the human appeared cannot make sense. How could the Big-Bang even exists, if two electrons cannot exist without humans? Bruno > > Brent > >> A scientific theory requires some assumptions/postulates/axioms, and all >> scientists assume the numbers with addition and multiplication (or something >> Turing equivalent). We cannot explain the number with anything less than a >> universal machinery. It happens that the natural numbers with + and * >> provides a simple universal machinery, and with computationalism, all the >> rest must be deduce from it (if the goal is to get a theory which handles >> both matter and consciousness). >> >> Bruno >> >> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7203afbc-c0f7-2f28-b185-06a668929237%40verizon.net. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bc435417-57e4-840c-b670-57c0464d1bcb%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/988E8B7A-CF34-42BF-91B1-9260A661E511%40ulb.ac.be.
