If micro reality is irreducibly random, why isn't it appropriate to refer 
to it as the "underlying reality"? You seem to be splitting hairs to no 
avail. AG

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:27:20 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Bullshit; Counterexample; the derivation of the LT from the principle of 
> the invariance of the SoL. AG
>
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:03:14 PM UTC-7 Brent wrote:
>
>> Science doesn't deal in proofs, only in evidence.  And the reality it 
>> deals with is that which can be tested...i.e. is not "underlying".
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2020 6:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>> Can you actually define "irreducible randomness" in order to prove it's 
>> the underlying reality of the universe? If so, what is it? TIA, AG 
>>
>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:25:57 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>
>>> Bell's theorem and the Kochen-Specker theorem are indications of an 
>>> irreducible randomness to measurement outcomes in QM. 
>>>
>>> LC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 12:50:58 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can it be directly inferred from Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? 
>>>> TIA, AG
>>>
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