> On 22 Dec 2020, at 05:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Science doesn't deal in proofs, only in evidence. And the reality it deals > with is that which can be tested...i.e. is not "underlying”.
I sort of agree. To believe in an underlying reality, or in a fundamental reality is not physical science, but theology. But we can do theology with a scientific attitude, and find criteria to test the existence and nature of the underlying reality that we postulate. Today, when we do that, the evidences are in favour of Plato, not in favour of Aristotle. We can say that we have looked carefully to Nature, and that the evidence is that Nature is not an ontological, “underlying” reality, but the emergent product from the arithmetical relations. Unfortunately, many people confuse the many evidences for the physical reality with an evidence that the physical reality would the underlying reality. That move *is* Aristotle postulation or act of faith. It works well for many applications, but is not sustained, neither by facts, nor by most of our current theories, which, like Darwin Evolution, relies on the Mechanist assumption (even implicitly on the Church-Turing these part of Mechanism). Bruno > > Brent > > On 12/21/2020 6:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> Can you actually define "irreducible randomness" in order to prove it's the >> underlying reality of the universe? If so, what is it? TIA, AG >> >> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:25:57 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> Bell's theorem and the Kochen-Specker theorem are indications of an >> irreducible randomness to measurement outcomes in QM. >> >> LC >> >> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 12:50:58 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com >> <applewebdata://F60BEE07-3A6A-41E8-8D69-655F603738A8> wrote: >> Can it be directly inferred from Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? TIA, AG >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/80062de9-c99b-462c-b59a-a0e622775ec1n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/80062de9-c99b-462c-b59a-a0e622775ec1n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9654c839-31c3-4344-57c2-c5ecb9a031c7%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9654c839-31c3-4344-57c2-c5ecb9a031c7%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/19FB5056-8C9A-4460-8F38-7D793D0AB79B%40ulb.ac.be.
