Consistent with your de facto Trumper methodology, you manipulate the facts 
of the argument. That is, whereas I agree I am not acting "intelligently" 
when sleeping, under sedation, or dead, all I asserted, and continue to 
assert, that based on your knowledge of how AG was *CREATED,* you can, and 
DO assume he is conscious in his *awake* state. Extrapolating, or asserting 
that, to some equivalence to AI makes no sense whatsoever. As usual, you 
have a pov to be asserted and defended, even if it makes no logical sense. 
How is this methodology different from what Trumpers habitually do? AG

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 9:54:18 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:54 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *> As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG 
>> and determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you 
>> consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG.*
>
>
> But I don't believe that  Alan Grayson is conscious all the time, not 
> when he's sleeping or or under anesthesia or dead because during those 
> times he is not behaving intelligently. 
>
> *> Generally, that in principle is what we humans habitually do. But AI 
>> does not fall into this category of YOUR knowing. To equate your knowledge 
>> of AG with AI is just a foolish extrapolation. AG*
>>
>
> By using your same logic would it also be foolish extrapolation for GPT-4 
> to conclude that human beings are conscious? That is the more important 
> question because in the long run it won't  really matter if humans think 
> an AI is conscious or not, but an AI's opinion of human beings will 
> matter a lot, at least for the humans. 
>
>  
>  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>
> chf
>
>

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