On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> * LLMs are not AGI (yet), but it's hard to ignore they're (sometimes
> astonishingly) competent at answering multi-modal questions across most, if
> not all domains of human knowledge*
>

I agree.




> *>  Here's probably the best result
> <https://chatgpt.com/share/b4403435-e071-46ef-b1ce-ac1def2ce501> but I'm
> not sure there's anything actually novel there. Despite that, it's still
> quite impressive, and to John's point, it's clearly an intelligent
> response, even if there are aspects of "cheating off of humans" in it. *
>

Concerning the cheating off humans question; Isaac Newton was probably the
closest the human race ever got to producing a transcendental genius, and
nobody ever accused him of being overly modest, but even Newton admitted
that if he had seen further than others it was only because "he stood on
the shoulders of giants". Human geniuses don't start from absolute zero,
they expand on work done by others. Regardless of how brilliant an AI's
answer is, if somebody is bound and determined to belittle the AI they can
always find **something** in the training data that has some relationship
to the answer, however tenuous. Even if the AI wrote a sonnet more
beautiful than anything of Shakespeare's, they can still claim that the
sonnet, like everything in literature, concerns objects (and people) and
how they move, and there are certainly things in its training data about
the arrangement of matter and energy in spacetime, in fact EVERYTHING in
its training data is about the arrangement of matter and energy in
spacetime. And therefore writing a beautiful sonnet was not a creative act
but was just the result of "mere memorization".
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
r08

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