I read enough to confirm that you postulate self-reference as fundamental -
the entity upon which everything else can be built. I'm wondering how that
can be fundamental if it requires two components (self, and the ability to
reference).

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:32 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
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> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using
> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut.
>
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>> I used Claude Sonnet to summarize your paper. Tell me if any of this
>> misses the mark, but the paper appears to posit *self-reference* as
>> fundamental, upon which all other aspects of reality are derived.
>>
>> If so (this is me now), my first thought is that self-reference cannot be
>> fundamental, because it already presupposes two distinct components: a
>> "self" and the capacity to "reference". Worse, defining "self" (something
>> to be derived) in terms of "self-reference" (fundamental) is circular.
>>
>> Terren
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:09 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
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>>> I invite you to discover my paper "How Self-Reference Builds the World"
>>> which is the theory of everything that people searched for millennia. It
>>> can be found on my philpeople profile:
>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan
>>>
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