>From your paper, you define self-reference as: "Let self-reference be the entity with the property of looking-back-at-itself."
Your definition invokes the concepts *entity*, *property*, *looking-back*, and *itself*. That's a lot of complexity for something that is fundamental. It's easy for me to imagine *entities *with different *properties* (i.e. that don't *look-back-on-itself), *but only because I'm starting from a linguistic perspective that already defines *entities *and *properties, *and *looking-back-at-itself.* You don't have that luxury. If you want to derive everything from a monism, you cannot define that monism in terms of concepts imported from a different metaphysics or conceptual framework. *Entities *and *properties of looking-back-at-itself *must be defined relative to your fundamental monism. On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 2:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > @Terren. There is no "self" and "ability to reference". There is just > self-reference. You can call it hampty-dampty if you want. > > On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 20:01:24 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> I read enough to confirm that you postulate self-reference as fundamental >> - the entity upon which everything else can be built. I'm wondering how >> that can be fundamental if it requires two components (self, and the >> ability to reference). >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:32 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using >>> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut. >>> >>> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> I used Claude Sonnet to summarize your paper. Tell me if any of this >>>> misses the mark, but the paper appears to posit *self-reference* as >>>> fundamental, upon which all other aspects of reality are derived. >>>> >>>> If so (this is me now), my first thought is that self-reference cannot >>>> be fundamental, because it already presupposes two distinct components: a >>>> "self" and the capacity to "reference". Worse, defining "self" (something >>>> to be derived) in terms of "self-reference" (fundamental) is circular. >>>> >>>> Terren >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:09 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I invite you to discover my paper "How Self-Reference Builds the >>>>> World" which is the theory of everything that people searched for >>>>> millennia. It can be found on my philpeople profile: >>>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d91bb4ab-d34c-4508-9fa8-7278599ff78en%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d91bb4ab-d34c-4508-9fa8-7278599ff78en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMy3ZA-Qzw%2B1V-aJjgMO_MDnNx%3DoFjdXcDz9dm0q4tZmRL6U3w%40mail.gmail.com.
