So you're saying if I take a high dose of magic mushrooms and my
consciousness changes, it is so obvious that a 5yo kid would understand it,
that the mushrooms *do not* cause a change to my consciousness? That me
taking mushrooms an hour before the changes to my consciousness begin is
mere correlation?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:51 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
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> @Terren. Based on your logic, if when you get outside in the rain is cold
> and when you are inside the house is warm => house generates consciousness.
> Correlation is not causation. This even a 5-years old kid understands.
>
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 17:39:34 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Quentin @Stathis. That's where the whole magical belief in AI comes
>>> from, from believing that you are robots. Well.. breaking news: you are
>>> not! You are God. "Brain" is just a picture that you as God dreams in this
>>> dream. It doesn't actually exist.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe so. But if it is true that our brains are just part of the dream,
>> then how do you account for the seeming one-way causality between the brain
>> and the mind? Brain damage, drugs, transcranial magnetic stimulation, etc,
>> all give credence to the existence of the brain, and by the same token all
>> those examples are difficult to explain from the idealist perspective
>> you're advocating for.
>>
>> You can say that's all part of the dream, but that's an answer that stops
>> all further questions. The "hard problem" of idealism is: why does the
>> dream of God appear to be so lawful and ordered? Why does the dream
>> necessitate things like brains that appear to have causal influence on our
>> consciousness?
>>
>> Terren
>>
>>
>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:24:45 UTC+3 Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 18:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lol ? By knowing that all AI does is to follow deterministic
>>>>> instructions such as
>>>>>
>>>>> if (color == white) {
>>>>> print ("Is day");
>>>>> } else {
>>>>> print ("Is night");
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason involved. Just blindly following instructions. Do
>>>>> people that believe in the AI believe that computers are magical entities
>>>>> where fairies live and they sprout rainbows ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is what humans do also: their brains follow deterministic rules,
>>>> and it results in the complex behaviour that we see.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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