@Terren. Yes, other consciousnesses. What is it that you don't understand ?
On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 20:52:13 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
> If you have no idea, then just say so. Otherwise, answer the question.
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> As I said: interacting with other consciousnesses.
>>
>> On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 15:59:52 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>
>>> What specifically happens when someone "takes mushrooms" for the first
>>> time that leads them to have a quality of consciousness that is unlike
>>> anything they've experienced before that?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 3:11 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Terren. Other consciousnesses. That you cannot even imagine.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 22:45:45 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you "take mushrooms", what happens is for your consciousness to
>>>>>> interact with the other consciousnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What other consciousnesses? What specifically happens when someone
>>>>> "takes mushrooms" for the first time that leads them to have a quality of
>>>>> consciousness that is unlike anything they've experienced before that?
>>>>> How
>>>>> do you explain that particular scenario in terms of interactions with
>>>>> other
>>>>> self-referencing entities?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, how does that explanation dispense with the idea that the
>>>>> (apparent) ingesting of mushrooms caused the change in consciousness?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 1:14 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Terren. "Mushrooms" are just an appearance in your consciousness
>>>>>> that stand for other consciousnesses. When you "take mushrooms", what
>>>>>> happens is for your consciousness to interact with the other
>>>>>> consciousnesses. Also "internet" is a similar appearance in your
>>>>>> consciousness. And when you "enter the internet", your consciousness
>>>>>> changes from interacting with other consciousnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 19:02:48 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're saying if I take a high dose of magic mushrooms and my
>>>>>>> consciousness changes, it is so obvious that a 5yo kid would understand
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> that the mushrooms *do not* cause a change to my consciousness?
>>>>>>> That me taking mushrooms an hour before the changes to my consciousness
>>>>>>> begin is mere correlation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:51 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Terren. Based on your logic, if when you get outside in the rain
>>>>>>>> is cold and when you are inside the house is warm => house generates
>>>>>>>> consciousness. Correlation is not causation. This even a 5-years old
>>>>>>>> kid
>>>>>>>> understands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 17:39:34 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Quentin @Stathis. That's where the whole magical belief in AI
>>>>>>>>>> comes from, from believing that you are robots. Well.. breaking
>>>>>>>>>> news: you
>>>>>>>>>> are not! You are God. "Brain" is just a picture that you as God
>>>>>>>>>> dreams in
>>>>>>>>>> this dream. It doesn't actually exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe so. But if it is true that our brains are just part of the
>>>>>>>>> dream, then how do you account for the seeming one-way causality
>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>> the brain and the mind? Brain damage, drugs, transcranial magnetic
>>>>>>>>> stimulation, etc, all give credence to the existence of the brain,
>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>> the same token all those examples are difficult to explain from the
>>>>>>>>> idealist perspective you're advocating for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can say that's all part of the dream, but that's an answer
>>>>>>>>> that stops all further questions. The "hard problem" of idealism is:
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> does the dream of God appear to be so lawful and ordered? Why does
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dream necessitate things like brains that appear to have causal
>>>>>>>>> influence
>>>>>>>>> on our consciousness?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Terren
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:24:45 UTC+3 Stathis Papaioannou
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 18:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> lol ? By knowing that all AI does is to follow deterministic
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> if (color == white) {
>>>>>>>>>>>> print ("Is day");
>>>>>>>>>>>> } else {
>>>>>>>>>>>> print ("Is night");
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason involved. Just blindly following
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions. Do people that believe in the AI believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>> computers are
>>>>>>>>>>>> magical entities where fairies live and they sprout rainbows ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is what humans do also: their brains follow deterministic
>>>>>>>>>>> rules, and it results in the complex behaviour that we see.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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