@Terren. Other consciousnesses. That you cannot even imagine.
On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 22:45:45 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
> When you "take mushrooms", what happens is for your consciousness to
>> interact with the other consciousnesses.
>>
>
> What other consciousnesses? What specifically happens when someone "takes
> mushrooms" for the first time that leads them to have a quality of
> consciousness that is unlike anything they've experienced before that? How
> do you explain that particular scenario in terms of interactions with other
> self-referencing entities?
>
> And, how does that explanation dispense with the idea that the (apparent)
> ingesting of mushrooms caused the change in consciousness?
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 1:14 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> @Terren. "Mushrooms" are just an appearance in your consciousness that
>> stand for other consciousnesses. When you "take mushrooms", what happens is
>> for your consciousness to interact with the other consciousnesses. Also
>> "internet" is a similar appearance in your consciousness. And when you
>> "enter the internet", your consciousness changes from interacting with
>> other consciousnesses.
>>
>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 19:02:48 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>
>>> So you're saying if I take a high dose of magic mushrooms and my
>>> consciousness changes, it is so obvious that a 5yo kid would understand it,
>>> that the mushrooms *do not* cause a change to my consciousness? That
>>> me taking mushrooms an hour before the changes to my consciousness begin is
>>> mere correlation?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:51 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Terren. Based on your logic, if when you get outside in the rain is
>>>> cold and when you are inside the house is warm => house generates
>>>> consciousness. Correlation is not causation. This even a 5-years old kid
>>>> understands.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 17:39:34 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Quentin @Stathis. That's where the whole magical belief in AI comes
>>>>>> from, from believing that you are robots. Well.. breaking news: you are
>>>>>> not! You are God. "Brain" is just a picture that you as God dreams in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> dream. It doesn't actually exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe so. But if it is true that our brains are just part of the
>>>>> dream, then how do you account for the seeming one-way causality between
>>>>> the brain and the mind? Brain damage, drugs, transcranial magnetic
>>>>> stimulation, etc, all give credence to the existence of the brain, and by
>>>>> the same token all those examples are difficult to explain from the
>>>>> idealist perspective you're advocating for.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can say that's all part of the dream, but that's an answer that
>>>>> stops all further questions. The "hard problem" of idealism is: why does
>>>>> the dream of God appear to be so lawful and ordered? Why does the dream
>>>>> necessitate things like brains that appear to have causal influence on
>>>>> our
>>>>> consciousness?
>>>>>
>>>>> Terren
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:24:45 UTC+3 Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 18:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lol ? By knowing that all AI does is to follow deterministic
>>>>>>>> instructions such as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if (color == white) {
>>>>>>>> print ("Is day");
>>>>>>>> } else {
>>>>>>>> print ("Is night");
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no reason involved. Just blindly following instructions.
>>>>>>>> Do people that believe in the AI believe that computers are magical
>>>>>>>> entities where fairies live and they sprout rainbows ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what humans do also: their brains follow deterministic
>>>>>>> rules, and it results in the complex behaviour that we see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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