On 7/11/2024 4:34 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:46 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is
not the cause of intelligence.
/ I think that's wrong. /
You say I'm wrong and yet I 99% agree with what you say in the very
next sentence, it would be 100% except that I'm not quite sure whether
the pronoun "it" refers to intelligence or consciousness.
Consciousness.
/> It is the cause of some instances of intelligence. Imagining
yourself in various scenario's and running them forward in
imagination is very much the cause of on kind of intelligence,
i.e. foresight./
Yes, foresight is the kind of intelligence that examines possible
future scenarios and takes actions that increase the likelihood that
the scenario that actuallyoccurs isone that is desirable from its
point of view. That's how a Chess program became a grandmaster in the
1990's. AlphaZerodid the same thing when it beat the world champion
human player at the game of GO, except that it didn't think (a.k.a.
imagine) all possible scenarios but only moves that an intelligent
opponent would likely make, including an opponent that was as
intelligent as itself. That's how AlphaZerowent from knowing nothing
about GO, except for the few simple rules of the game, to being able
to play GO at a superhuman level in just a few hours.
>>it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels
when it is being processed.
/> That's false. /
Once more you say I'm wrong,but this time I agree 100% not 99% with
what you say in the very next sentence.
/> Lots of data is processed every day by machines that are not
conscious and we "see" they are not conscious because they take no
intelligent action based on the data being true. /
So like me you believe the Turing Test is not just a test for
intelligence, it is also a test for consciousness. In fact, although
imperfect, it is the only test for consciousness we have, or will ever
have. So if a computer is behaving as intelligently as a human then it
must be as conscious as a human. Probably.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
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