On 7/9/2024 4:48 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 4:20 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
/> If consciousness is necessary for intelligence///[...]
Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is not the
cause of intelligence.
I think that's wrong. It is the cause of some instances of
intelligence. Imagining yourself in various scenario's and running them
forward in imagination is very much the cause of on kind of
intelligence, i.e. foresight.
And as I cannot emphasize enough, natural selection can't select for
something it can't see and it can't see consciousness, but natural
selection CAN see intelligent actions.
And intelligent actions (of a certain kind, often speech) follow from
conscious thought and so evolution CAN see conscious thought. Remember
you're using "see" metaphorically. You "see" actions as intelligent by
inference, often by modeling in consciousness what you would do in the
other's situation. So you can "see" conscious thoughts by extension of
the same kind of inference.
And you know for a fact that natural selection has managed to produce
at least one conscious being and probably mini billions of them.
Don't you understand how those two facts are telling you something
that is philosophically important?
> /If on the other hand, consciousness is just a useless byproduct,
then it could (logically if not nomologically) be eliminated
without affecting intelligent./
That would not be possible if it's a brute fact that consciousness is
the way data feels when it is being processed.
That's false. Lots of data is processed every day by machines that are
not conscious and we "see" they are not conscious because they take no
intelligent action based on the data being true.
Brent
John K Clark
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