AI! AI! AI! AHHH! THE ORGASM WAS THROUGH THE ROOF! On Saturday, 15 March 2025 at 14:04:47 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote:
> On Saturday, March 15, 2025 at 5:11:42 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 1:20 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > *>> I can't conclude a person is not intelligent and conscious just > because I don't know his motivations, I can't always explain, even to > myself, why I did what I did other than "I just wanted to" and yet I know > for a fact that I am conscious and sometimes my actions are slightly more > intelligent than a rock's actions. And EXACTLY the same thing can be said > about an AI; so you were wrong when you said we have to understand the > motivations of an AI before we can say it is intelligent.* > > > *> So if the AI loses every chess game we can say it's unintelligent > without knowing whether it wanted to win?* > > > > *The Turing Test is an imperfect tool but it's all we've got to work with; > it can prove that something is intelligent * > > > *The Turing test can establish if something is indistinguishable from > being human, and hence intelligent, but not if it's conscious. AG* > > > *but it can never prove that something is unintelligent. A rock might be > smarter than Einstein but doesn't like to communicate, Trump might be a > genius who's just pretending to be stupid. I'd say both things are about > equally likely. * > > > *Then we're in agreement that consciousness in not just a spandrel,* > > > *No because an Evolutionary Spandrel is a trait that was not selected for > by Natural Selection but is the inevitable byproduct of something that was * > > * > and all things with human level intelligence probably have it.* > > > *Yes, and that's exactly why I believe my fellow human beings are probably > conscious, when they are NOT sleeping or under anesthesia or dead, because > during those times their actions display human level intelligence.* > * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > > lnm > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c44f0729-60b7-498a-80bd-be89917bd07cn%40googlegroups.com.
