Consciousness is the substance upon which evolution acts in the first place.

On Saturday, 15 March 2025 at 16:09:35 UTC+2 Brent Meeker wrote:

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> On 3/15/2025 6:05 AM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 8:04 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
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> *>> The Turing Test is an imperfect tool but it's all we've got to work 
>> with; it can prove that something is intelligent *
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>> *> The Turing test can establish if something is indistinguishable from 
>> being human, and hence intelligent, but not if it's conscious. AG*
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> *Unless consciousness is the inevitable byproduct of intelligence, or to 
> put it another way, unless consciousness is an evolutionary spandrel.* 
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> I think there are degrees and kinds of consciousness.  My dog is certainly 
> conscious, she knows what's going on.  But without language and similar 
> symbolic processing I don't think human level consciousness is possible.
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> Brent
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