Thank-you for proving my point.

> Oh my!  I'm hurt!  Crushed I tell ya...  What's not substantive about my
> posts?  I can't provide facts for things which do not exist.  You say the
> MVP's are violating a code of ethics.  I'm asking for "SUBSTANTIATED" proof.
> 
> Per your usual, you skirted everything I questioned meaning you have nothing
> to backup your opinion meaning your opinion is worth...  Well, it think you
> know what your opinion is worth...  If you don't, I'm sure others have made
> it clear that your opinion is worth squat, your skills as a consultant are
> at the very minimum humorous, and your ability to work with others...
> Severely lacking...
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to
> define the ceiling.
> 
> No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people
> seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a
> spokesman, I have an opinion.
> 
> I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk,
> talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an
> intelligent comment or argument yet.
> 
> > A personal attack from me goes sooooo much deeper, but I'll leave that be.
> > On to bigger and brighter things!!!
> > 
> > >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors 
> > follow are also not laws."
> > 
> > Oh really!
> > 
> > >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, 
> > >>deciding
> > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a 
> > legislative body."
> > 
> > Now we're getting somewhere!!!  Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman 
> > for the IT industry?  Does the IT industry have "party" affiliations?
> > Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where 
> > you're the "Conservative"?  Who voted you to be the spokesman for the
> > IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote?
> > 
> > >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have
> > >>not
> > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> > criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)"
> > 
> > Not educated on Ethics?  Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just
> > happens to be one of them.  I'm just interested in how you came to 
> > these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone
> > else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them...
> > 
> > NEXT!
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your
> criticism.
> > 
> > And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's 
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors 
> > follow are also not laws.
> > 
> > This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, 
> > deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not
> > a legislative body.
> > 
> > Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have 
> > not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> > criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake 
> > of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win.
> Happy?
> > 
> > > Oh, that was not a personal attack...  And I don't lose arguments...
> > > 
> > > I tell ya what.  You find me the documentation to support your claim
> > > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you.  I'll need
> > > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of 
> > > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject.
> > > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see 
> > > at what point in time these laws went into effect...
> > > 
> > > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical 
> > > violation, right?
> > > 
> > > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise 
> > > migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated
> > > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you.  So,
> > > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be 
> > > unethical in
> > nature...
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > > 
> > > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has 
> > > lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife 
> > > beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep 
> > > learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list.
> > > 
> > > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you...  You should 
> > > > have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some 
> > > > brain cells to operate with...
> > > > 
> 
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