Whoa! Guys! Stop! UNBIASED
*That* is the crux of the problem with this debate! Taking gifts (including titles) WOULD BE UNETHICAL *IF* the client had the expectation of the professional neutrality. Most IT professionals DO NOT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, therefore taking gifts IS NOT UNETHICAL AS LONG AS the client has no expectation of neutrality. Mr. Deckler argues that the IT profession would be better off adopting a stricter ethical standard, and that may be true. BUT, to judge ethical behavior today, we must use standards as defined by the IT profession TODAY, and that standard currently says vendor whoring is fine, SO LONG AS THE CLIENT ISN'T EXPECTING NEUTRALITY. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Um, yes it DOES make it unethical. You are accepting a direct gift from a vendor and then turning around and supposedly giving unbiased technical advice to a client. That is the definition of "real or perceived conflict of interest". It does not mean that you WILL act unethically, but it is OBVIOUSLY a breach of ethical conduct and conflict of interest rules. > Sort of. There are no well documented criteria that you apply for and > then meet, there are informal criteria that leads to an invitation.=20 > > As I said, others must decide whether the criteria meet the expertise > they are looking for. That does not make it unethical, as you know. > > I seriously doubt any customer will give you a blank check simply > based on being an MVP, but I know I can have a higher degree of trust > for the info (usually) a MVP provides in lists like this. > > Best Regards,=20 > > Dan Bartley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:42 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > Just so that the record is set straight and Deckler doesn't feel the > need to write a 2,000-word response to this technical inaccuracy, the > title of MVP > isn't awarded based set standards. It's rather subjective, I must > confess. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:36 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or > Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title > that denotes > an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine > if > the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and > respect. > > Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions > regarding is unethical. > > Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. > > Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of > brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone > whose priority is to *always* win the "fight" must sacrifice the truth > and good judgment, > thereby violating basic ethics. > > Just another opinion :-) > > Best Regards,=20 > > Dan Bartley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit > reading.=20 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchange&text_mo > de=3D= > & > lang > =3Denglish > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchange&text_mo > de=3D= > & > lang=3Denglish > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
