We already have. There is no conflict of interest if I'm employeed to provide support and administration of Microsoft technologies (which I am) and am rewarded by Microsoft for contributions in the same realm in which I'm paid to participate.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:32 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > OK, I can be childish as well. > > You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then > turning around to clients and providing information and > services about and > from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. > > You prove that false. > > > Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you > cite is made up > > in your own mind. > > > > Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not > > necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially > true in that > > special place known as Deckler-Land. > > > > By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an > MVP, who invited > > you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much > positive peer support > > in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to > be a heckler way > > back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find > it hard to > > believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. > Care to prove > > this assertion as well? > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greg Deckler > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > You can be offended all you want, it does not change the > FACT that accepting > > a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with > basic conflict > > of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have > stated is that a > > real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no > water, then there > > would be no reason to be offended. > > > > > It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a > contribution pefrormed. > > > There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there > are none that > > > I consider to be ethical issues. > > > > > > I completely resent your entire assertion that I am > somehow unethical > > > because I accept the title and gifts associated with > being an MVP. I > > > will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, > including your > > > poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was > nearly fired from > > > my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but > the system > > > worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to > > > anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) > > > > > > So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either > (1) prove how > > > being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this > thread rest. I > > > tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and > > > less-than-brilliant treatises. > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greg Deckler > > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > > > The flaw here is that that "Cisco Certified" has clearly defined > > > things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to > > > achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You > must PAY to > > > take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. > > > > > > MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no > > > exchange of currency. > > > > > > This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and > gifts like MVP. > > > > > > > Titles based on criteria that has been successfully > met, as in MVP > > > > or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is > an earned > > > > title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to > those who view > > > > the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title > > > > warrants a level of trust and respect. > > > > > > > > Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions > > > > regarding is unethical. > > > > > > > > Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. > > > > > > > > Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is > poor use of > > > > brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of > ethics. Anyone > > > > whose priority is to *always* win the "fight" must > sacrifice the > > > > truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. > > > > > > > > Just another opinion :-) > > > > > > > > Best Regards,=20 > > > > > > > > Dan Bartley > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > > > > > I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit > > > > reading.=20 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Web Interface: > > > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?> enter=exchange&text_mode > > > =&lang > > > =english > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
