Greg, you wrote:

"First, I never said I was a "master logician". This is simply another in a long line 
of dozens of mischaracterizations of my posts that proves the fact that you either 
cannot read, cannot comprehend what you read, choose to embellish what you read or 
assume things about what you read."

"So you are going to quibble with things that "I" said? You people are so whacked out 
that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you when I was called a "liar" or a 
"wife beater" or "stupid" or "idiot" or that I "starve children". All of that is OK in 
your whacky bizarro world, but explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in 
email for Christ's sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! How could 
you SAY such a thing. Never mind the "liar", "stupid", "idiot" stuff, THAT, sir, is 
uncalled for."

"People mis-characterize and read things into my posts that are not there."

"Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument 
and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children 
and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, 
I love this list."

"And, I just gotta say...a starving child reference?!?!?! I mean...what? So now I'm 
taking food out of the mouths of children because I believe that accepting a vendor 
honorarium is unethical? I...I...I literally don't even know what to say to something 
that incredibly inane. That one takes the cake."


The original question I posed to you was:

"Oh - are you an MCSE?  Would having those initials behind your name enhance your 
credibility, marketability, business ventures and/or profits?  Would obtaining such a 
title be unethical and wrong?  If having those credentials put food in your children's 
mouths and a roof over their heads, would your attitude change any?"

Did I state you starved children?  Speaking of mischaracterizations, choosing to 
embellish, assuming things about what you read and not comprehending....

I asked you if having a specific vendor-based credential put food in to YOUR 
children's mouths, would your attitude change?  You can mischaracterize, embellish, 
whatever to suit your needs.

You should be absolutely exhausted by now from all the running in circles you do.  
Stick to your guns and stay stuck or as someone else so eloquently stated, STFU. 

Actually, you remind me a singing and dancing Charles Durning from the "Best Little 
Wh0rehouse in Texas".   Ooooo - I love to dance a little sidestep......  You're 
shucking and jiving so much trying to win your arguments you're doing the same things 
you accuse others of which results in serious damage to any credibility you may have 
had.  I originally gave you credit for sticking to your beliefs but now must retract 
that statement.

Doctors screw up and someone dies.  Lawyers screw up and someone goes to prison or is 
freed to commit further crimes [you write the final chapter on this one].  Any person 
involved with the medical, dental, physical, psychological arenas [and their 
assistants, etc] screw up and a life is on the line.  That's the reason for federal 
and/or congressional intervention along with written laws and ethics - to guide 
behavior so as to NOT put a life in jeopardy.  You know what happens when I screw up?  
Pamela the personal assistant doesn't get her e-mail from Aunt Betty about what pie to 
bake for their holiday dinner.  Just have Aunt Betty send her recipe right after I get 
the mail server running again.....

Professionalism, honesty, competence, experience and skill count and go a long way in 
this business.  Being professional means policing your own, being proficient, earning 
respect and being an example for others to emulate and from there you can create the 
infrastructure of ethics.  You'd better hit the silk now because your plane has way 
too many holes in it to fly and the hole you're landing yourself in apparently has no 
room for the traits I just mentioned..  Our profession hasn't been around long enough 
to begin this debate and if you think otherwise, then go ahead and label yourself 
"ahead of your time" - your ego can handle it.  There's entirely too much cutthroat 
activity in this business to sit at one table and hammer this all out so for this 
generation at least, it's live and let live.

Let it go, man.






Barry J. Horner
NT Server/Exchange/WWW Administrator
Central Community College - Grand Island, NE
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