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-----Original Message-----
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-)
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From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs
-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an
IT
individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they
salaries
overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick
back up
to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT
wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
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Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and
they
want
experience, and they want to pay as little as
possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple
of
recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making
$70-$80k
applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center
out
here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50
positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700
resumes for
a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large
w2k
migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people
with
certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the
underpaid
folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape
candidate.
This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it
might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a
broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of
one or
maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left
college
(but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no
question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that
amount is
a
bit
ridiculous
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Earlier someone mentioned a story about a
kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was
naive.
Although
I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$
thoughts
these
days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think
that
60-90K
is all
that high either. It all depends on your market,
experience,
and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a
job that
paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market
differences.
Keep
in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex
border
though...jk
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20
AM
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He was an IBM Global Services guy
and knew
Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay
anyone who
could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's
and CTO's
make
the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the
medical care
they
need to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal
surgeries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05,
2002 9:56
PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin
Miller
Well, where are these high
paying
jobs
at.
I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-----Original
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From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
5:08
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
Like I said. I've
seen
contracts
for
a
whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest
I've seen
was
$525 an
hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then
150hr x
hours x 52
weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits
and taxes
=
$452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No
offense to
Don
or anyone
else.
-----Original
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From: Mal Sasalu
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
4:53
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
I am not cheap. I
wasn't
talking
about
Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire
him or
somebody like
him.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:41
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
You're cheap. [1]
[2]
[1] Chorus: But not
easy!
[2] For someone like
Don,
who I
KNOW
has
the
experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.
-----Original
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From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
3:58
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
Something wrong with
charging
$150
an
hour?
That's my usual going rate... :o)
-----Original
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From: Mal Sasalu
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
3:40
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Kevin
Miller
Then you must be
having
authority to
pay
$150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will
be
charging
:-)
-----Original
Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:10
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
And those of us with
hiring
authority do
make it a practice to look into these lists and
decide who
is an
idiot,
who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to
fix
broke
a$$ sh!t.
-----Original
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From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:42
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
I have a great sense
of
humour
provided
someone works for a cert instead of this cramming
crap,
taking a
test,
and calling yourself certified. Too many paper
MCSE's out
there
and
those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole
in the
ground.
-----Original
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From: Bunting, Jeff
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:39
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
someone leave their
sense of
humor
at
home
today?
-----Original
Message-----
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:29
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
You can keep
thinking
that...
Just
pray
you
never apply for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS
and then
some
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-----Original
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From: Matthew
Carpenter
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
2:11
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
It never matters HOW
you get
certified,
as
long as you ARE certified. Sheesh
-----Original
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From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
12:56
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
We, unlike you,
didn't/don't
use
CRAM
sites.
We actually use real world knowledge that we've
learned over
the
years...
-----Original
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From: Precht, David
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
1:58
PM
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
what cram site did
you guys
use
;) ?
-----Original
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From: Paul Green
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Sent: Wednesday,
June 05,
2002
13:09
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Subject: RE: For
Kevin
Miller
I got him certified
in
UCC+WCA.
-----Original
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From: Matthew
Carpenter
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Posted At:
Wednesday, June
05,
2002
10:08 AM
Posted To: Exchange
2000
Server
Conversation: For
Kevin
Miller
Subject: For Kevin
Miller
Would you mind
enlightening
us
on
what
all
that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at
the
"certified"
world, or are those real? I can not find anything on
them in
Google. (I
had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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