Try job hunting in the Houston area.... :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
> Point > > -----Original Message----- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an > IT > individual > really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they > salaries > overall > are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick > back up > to > the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT > wannabes with > dollar signs in their eyes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and > they > want > experience, and they want to pay as little as > possible. And > they'll be > able to find that person. I've talked to a couple > of > recruiters > who are > seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making > $70-$80k > applying > for $40k > jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center > out > here, > and > supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 > positions. > Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 > resumes for > a > position. > Some company that is apparently doing a very large > w2k > migration > has > been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people > with > certs > because > they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. > > Someday, the economy will come back, and all the > underpaid > folks > will > jump to better paying jobs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape > candidate. > This > doesn't > refer to their physical shape although I guess it > might. It > refers to > the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a > broad > experience of > different technologies with in-depth knowledge of > one or > maybe > two > technologies. > > Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left > college > (but > that was > some time ago now!). > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no > question...but > overall > a kid coming out of school expecting to make that > amount is > a > bit > ridiculous > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Carpenter > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Earlier someone mentioned a story about a > kid saying > that 60-90K > was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was > naive. > Although > I do > agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ > thoughts > these > days, > instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think > that > 60-90K > is all > that high either. It all depends on your market, > experience, > and > abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a > job that > paid 3 > times what I make here, simply due to market > differences. > Keep > in mind > that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex > border > though...jk > -----Original Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 > AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He was an IBM Global Services guy > and knew > Cobol > like he > wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay > anyone who > could > write > code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's > and CTO's > make > the > $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the > medical care > they > need to > have after having the lobotomy and spine removal > surgeries. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, > 2002 9:56 > PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin > Miller > > > Well, where are these high > paying > jobs > at. > I'm > underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 5:08 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > > Like I said. I've > seen > contracts > for > a > whole > hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest > I've seen > was > $525 an > hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then > 150hr x > hours x 52 > weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits > and taxes > = > $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No > offense to > Don > or anyone > else. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Mal Sasalu > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 4:53 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > > I am not cheap. I > wasn't > talking > about > Don's > worth. I was talking about your authority to hire > him or > somebody like > him. > > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:41 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > You're cheap. [1] > [2] > > [1] Chorus: But not > easy! > [2] For someone like > Don, > who I > KNOW > has > the > experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 3:58 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > Something wrong with > charging > $150 > an > hour? > That's my usual going rate... :o) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Mal Sasalu > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 3:40 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > Then you must be > having > authority to > pay > $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will > be > charging > :-) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:10 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > And those of us with > hiring > authority do > make it a practice to look into these lists and > decide who > is an > idiot, > who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to > fix > broke > a$$ sh!t. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:42 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > I have a great sense > of > humour > provided > someone works for a cert instead of this cramming > crap, > taking a > test, > and calling yourself certified. Too many paper > MCSE's out > there > and > those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole > in the > ground. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Bunting, Jeff > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:39 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > someone leave their > sense of > humor > at > home > today? > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:29 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > You can keep > thinking > that... > Just > pray > you > never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. > Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS > and then > some > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original > Message----- > From: Matthew > Carpenter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:11 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > It never matters HOW > you get > certified, > as > long as you ARE certified. Sheesh > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 12:56 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > We, unlike you, > didn't/don't > use > CRAM > sites. > We actually use real world knowledge that we've > learned over > the > years... > -----Original > Message----- > From: Precht, David > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 1:58 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > what cram site did > you guys > use > ;) ? > -----Original > Message----- > From: Paul Green > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 13:09 > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > I got him certified > in > UCC+WCA. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Matthew > Carpenter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: > Wednesday, June > 05, > 2002 > 10:08 AM > Posted To: Exchange > 2000 > Server > Conversation: For > Kevin > Miller > Subject: For Kevin > Miller > Would you mind > enlightening > us > on > what > all > that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at > the > "certified" > world, or are those real? I can not find anything on > them in > Google. 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