No, they do not do dedupe. Their selling point is that they do an image backup up your entire server, they use VSS so you can restore your Exchange database, you can create images in real time, it supports hardware independent restore, meaning that if something goes wrong, you can do a restore to disparate hardware or to a virtual image, AND, with their new exchange granular restore optional module, all you have to do to restore someone's deleted contact or email is to ask them when it was there last, mount an image of the volume that contains the store from a time prior to that time, and extract the lost email directly from the store.
Clyde W. Bennett, President Clyde Bennett & Associates 1011A S. Congress Ave. Austin, Texas 78704-1126 (512) 442-3744 fax (512) 442-4014 www.cwbserv.com cbenn...@cwbserv.com -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: System Back-up solution. What's their selling point in this conversation? Do they do dedupe? Kurt On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 14:36, Clyde Bennett <cbenn...@cwbserv.com> wrote: > Kurt: > > Storagecraft has a SAAS (Software as a service) option where you pay approx > $40 per month for the software. That gets you maintenance and upgrades as > well. > > Clyde W. Bennett, President > Clyde Bennett & Associates > 1011A S. Congress Ave. > Austin, Texas 78704-1126 > (512) 442-3744 > fax (512) 442-4014 > www.cwbserv.com > cbenn...@cwbserv.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:34 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: System Back-up solution. > > dedupe indeed expensive. I've priced it - we went from TSM to > Ultrabac, and I priced out a number of other packages during the eval. > Given our budgetary restrictions, the UB was the best we could do. > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 14:29, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't duplicate for onsite. I have the live copy and a raid 5 "copy", >> Then I have the current backup onsite and the week-old backup offsite. Long >> term, we keep 2 years on site from disks rotated out quarterly. Then >> purge. Our backups are really for DR only. Nobody wants to restore >> anything over 90 days; certainly not stuff that is years old. Two years is >> more than I think we need, but it is a service/faux security blanket to >> users. We aren't legally bound to retain anything not in live use except in >> the case of lawsuit. Then we'd just buy more disks. >> >> My only suggestion to you is breaking your network apart an doing separate >> backups. You may be better off graduating to a data management solution >> with deduplication. $$ >> >> -Bill >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> So, not a huge amount of data. 500gb drives are pretty cheap, fer sher. >>> >>> Do you duplicate the drives for local storage before sending them >>> offsite, or is it in a RAID array that you can break the mirror on, or >>> even just replace both drives as part of your rotation? >>> >>> Do you need to worry about longer term archiving? >>> >>> We use D2D2T, and my problem is that I backup about 2.5tb over a >>> weekend, and it takes a long time - if I start on Friday evening at >>> 17:00, my last full backup (just to disk!) ends on Monday mid-morning. >>> Since I then have to trickle to tape, and I have chosen to duplicate >>> the full to a second copy on tape for offsite storage, it takes until >>> Wednesday to finish. >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:20, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Not a lot of data being backed up. >>> > Exchange= 11 GB 30 minutes >>> > File server= 60 GB 4hrs >>> > DB server= 25 GB 2 hrs >>> > Web/backup server= 15 GB 30 minutes >>> > >>> > Each server except exchange does one full and 4 incrementals. Exchange >>> > is >>> > full every day. I'm careful not to overlap jobs so nothing starts >>> > within a >>> > half hour of finish time for anything else. So Monday night basically >>> > takes >>> > all night to get everything. All the week's backups fit on a 500GB disk >>> > with plenty of room. Each week we take last week's disk to a >>> > nearby safedeposit box when we send our bank deposit. >>> > >>> > Naturally that won't work for everybody, but if you can handle a lengthy >>> > reinstall window, and risking a whole week's backup onsite, it is dirt >>> > cheap. And way more reliable than my tapes ever were. >>> > >>> > -Bill >>> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> How much data are you backing up? >>> >> >>> >> What does your backup rotation look like? >>> >> >>> >> How long are your backup times? >>> >> >>> >> Do you rotate your media to secure offsite storage? >>> >> >>> >> Kurt >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:31, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > I pitched tapes a few years ago, and never looked back. I back up >>> >> > exchange >>> >> > over the network with NTbackup run from a scheduled task script >>> >> > on W2k3 >>> >> > server. The backup destination has $20 drive trays attached to a hot >>> >> > swappable SATA controller. I put in my own Sata Drives and rotate >>> >> > them >>> >> > by >>> >> > hand weekly. Very reliable. Almost free. I do a test restore >>> >> > weekly >>> >> > and >>> >> > have not had a failure in two years. I think many more people spend >>> >> > thousands on a backup solution for exchange than really need to. >>> >> > >>> >> > -Bill >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Doug Rooney >>> >> > <d...@sonomatilemakers.com> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Greetings all. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> We currently have DLT VS1 tape back-up as well as USB 2.0 connected >>> >> >> external drives. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> We are using Backup Exec for the tapes and custom batch programs for >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> external drives, which by the way are connected on a separate >>> >> >> back-up >>> >> >> server. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Our tapes are old and have many failures, upper management has >>> >> >> decided >>> >> >> to >>> >> >> abandon tapes and go only with external drives. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> My question is, has anyone done this? What software do you use, Pros >>> >> >> / >>> >> >> Cons. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> The problem I am experiencing now is in order to back-up the data >>> >> >> bases, I >>> >> >> need to take them off-line. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thank you for any advice you can offer. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> (Exchange 2003, Windows 2003, one set of external drives are 500GB >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> other is 250GB) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thank You >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ~Doug Rooney >>> >> >> Sonoma Tilemakers >>> >> >> IT Manager >>> >> >> 7750 Bell Rd. >>> >> >> Windsor Ca, 95492 >>> >> >> i...@sonomatilemakers.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > >
