Interesting. If I have reason to investigate, I'll keep them in mind. Thanks.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 16:11, Clyde Bennett <cbenn...@cwbserv.com> wrote: > No, they do not do dedupe. Their selling point is that they do an image > backup up your entire server, they use VSS so you can restore your Exchange > database, you can create images in real time, it supports hardware > independent restore, meaning that if something goes wrong, you can do a > restore to disparate hardware or to a virtual image, AND, with their new > exchange granular restore optional module, all you have to do to restore > someone's deleted contact or email is to ask them when it was there last, > mount an image of the volume that contains the store from a time prior to > that time, and extract the lost email directly from the store. > > Clyde W. Bennett, President > Clyde Bennett & Associates > 1011A S. Congress Ave. > Austin, Texas 78704-1126 > (512) 442-3744 > fax (512) 442-4014 > www.cwbserv.com > cbenn...@cwbserv.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:45 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: System Back-up solution. > > What's their selling point in this conversation? Do they do dedupe? > > Kurt > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 14:36, Clyde Bennett <cbenn...@cwbserv.com> wrote: >> Kurt: >> >> Storagecraft has a SAAS (Software as a service) option where you pay approx >> $40 per month for the software. That gets you maintenance and upgrades as >> well. >> >> Clyde W. Bennett, President >> Clyde Bennett & Associates >> 1011A S. Congress Ave. >> Austin, Texas 78704-1126 >> (512) 442-3744 >> fax (512) 442-4014 >> www.cwbserv.com >> cbenn...@cwbserv.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:34 PM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: System Back-up solution. >> >> dedupe indeed expensive. I've priced it - we went from TSM to >> Ultrabac, and I priced out a number of other packages during the eval. >> Given our budgetary restrictions, the UB was the best we could do. >> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 14:29, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I don't duplicate for onsite. I have the live copy and a raid 5 "copy", >>> Then I have the current backup onsite and the week-old backup offsite. Long >>> term, we keep 2 years on site from disks rotated out quarterly. Then >>> purge. Our backups are really for DR only. Nobody wants to restore >>> anything over 90 days; certainly not stuff that is years old. Two years is >>> more than I think we need, but it is a service/faux security blanket to >>> users. We aren't legally bound to retain anything not in live use except in >>> the case of lawsuit. Then we'd just buy more disks. >>> >>> My only suggestion to you is breaking your network apart an doing separate >>> backups. You may be better off graduating to a data management solution >>> with deduplication. $$ >>> >>> -Bill >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, not a huge amount of data. 500gb drives are pretty cheap, fer sher. >>>> >>>> Do you duplicate the drives for local storage before sending them >>>> offsite, or is it in a RAID array that you can break the mirror on, or >>>> even just replace both drives as part of your rotation? >>>> >>>> Do you need to worry about longer term archiving? >>>> >>>> We use D2D2T, and my problem is that I backup about 2.5tb over a >>>> weekend, and it takes a long time - if I start on Friday evening at >>>> 17:00, my last full backup (just to disk!) ends on Monday mid-morning. >>>> Since I then have to trickle to tape, and I have chosen to duplicate >>>> the full to a second copy on tape for offsite storage, it takes until >>>> Wednesday to finish. >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:20, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Not a lot of data being backed up. >>>> > Exchange= 11 GB 30 minutes >>>> > File server= 60 GB 4hrs >>>> > DB server= 25 GB 2 hrs >>>> > Web/backup server= 15 GB 30 minutes >>>> > >>>> > Each server except exchange does one full and 4 incrementals. Exchange >>>> > is >>>> > full every day. I'm careful not to overlap jobs so nothing starts >>>> > within a >>>> > half hour of finish time for anything else. So Monday night basically >>>> > takes >>>> > all night to get everything. All the week's backups fit on a 500GB disk >>>> > with plenty of room. Each week we take last week's disk to a >>>> > nearby safedeposit box when we send our bank deposit. >>>> > >>>> > Naturally that won't work for everybody, but if you can handle a lengthy >>>> > reinstall window, and risking a whole week's backup onsite, it is dirt >>>> > cheap. And way more reliable than my tapes ever were. >>>> > >>>> > -Bill >>>> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> How much data are you backing up? >>>> >> >>>> >> What does your backup rotation look like? >>>> >> >>>> >> How long are your backup times? >>>> >> >>>> >> Do you rotate your media to secure offsite storage? >>>> >> >>>> >> Kurt >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:31, Bill Songstad <bsongs...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > I pitched tapes a few years ago, and never looked back. I back up >>>> >> > exchange >>>> >> > over the network with NTbackup run from a scheduled task script >>>> >> > on W2k3 >>>> >> > server. The backup destination has $20 drive trays attached to a hot >>>> >> > swappable SATA controller. I put in my own Sata Drives and rotate >>>> >> > them >>>> >> > by >>>> >> > hand weekly. Very reliable. Almost free. I do a test restore >>>> >> > weekly >>>> >> > and >>>> >> > have not had a failure in two years. I think many more people spend >>>> >> > thousands on a backup solution for exchange than really need to. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -Bill >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Doug Rooney >>>> >> > <d...@sonomatilemakers.com> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Greetings all. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We currently have DLT VS1 tape back-up as well as USB 2.0 connected >>>> >> >> external drives. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We are using Backup Exec for the tapes and custom batch programs for >>>> >> >> the >>>> >> >> external drives, which by the way are connected on a separate >>>> >> >> back-up >>>> >> >> server. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Our tapes are old and have many failures, upper management has >>>> >> >> decided >>>> >> >> to >>>> >> >> abandon tapes and go only with external drives. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> My question is, has anyone done this? What software do you use, Pros >>>> >> >> / >>>> >> >> Cons. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> The problem I am experiencing now is in order to back-up the data >>>> >> >> bases, I >>>> >> >> need to take them off-line. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thank you for any advice you can offer. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> (Exchange 2003, Windows 2003, one set of external drives are 500GB >>>> >> >> the >>>> >> >> other is 250GB) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thank You >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ~Doug Rooney >>>> >> >> Sonoma Tilemakers >>>> >> >> IT Manager >>>> >> >> 7750 Bell Rd. >>>> >> >> Windsor Ca, 95492 >>>> >> >> i...@sonomatilemakers.com >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
