Point taken. It's actually something I had never considered - using the 
Dumpster (SIR in 2010 I guess?) and deleted mailbox retention as a "backup" 
solution. With the database copies you're also protected against storage 
failures. Hmmm. Many things to consider.

That said, we actually had someone the other day who purged his dumpster as he 
thought it was counting toward his quota!

Richard

From: bounce-9036128-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9036128-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Hobson
Sent: 29 July 2010 10:00
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 DAG and backup options/recommendations.

But that's the point of single item recovery.  For example, if you keep backups 
for 90 days you can set single item recovery on all mailboxes to 90 days; the 
data is still in Exchange and can be recovered.  It just means there's a larger 
mailbox for each user but this isn't a problem with the Exchange 2010 
architecture.

From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 July 2010 09:49
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 DAG and backup options/recommendations.

That would be my biggest concern: the absence of a backup to restore someone's 
mailbox from two to three months ago. There's backup for disaster recovery, 
then there's backup for user stupidity.

From: bounce-9036114-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9036114-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Hobson
Sent: 29 July 2010 09:44
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 DAG and backup options/recommendations.

In addition to what has already been said, let's talk a little about your 
statement "a backup system isn't really required".  What you're referring to 
there is Exchange native data protection and if you go down this route there 
are some very clear things that you need to consider.

For example, the MS recommendation is that you have at least 3 database copies 
if you implement native data protection; you've said 2 copies per database in 
your statement.  I don't know your environment, and I know it's extremely 
unlikely to happen, but could your 2 on-site buildings be taken out at the same 
time?  Consider a 3rd copy somewhere completely remote.  You say you're worried 
about database corruption - that's where lagged database copies come in, so 
you'd need to consider those (which will take your design to 3 database copies 
anyway).  Also, what are you planning to do regarding single item recovery?  
That affects the users and your ability to restore in the absence of a backup.

From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [mailto:pfeff...@ucmail.uc.edu]
Sent: 28 July 2010 21:02
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2010 DAG and backup options/recommendations.

We are going to be moving to Exchange 2010.  Basically we will have 14,000 
users and will allow users to go up to 4 gig mailboxes.  We will have 4 
backends distributed between 2 on-site buildings for redundancy 
(power/network).  We will also be deploying a DAG configuration with 2 copies 
per database.   We are talking a ton of storage and the question keeps arising 
about backups.  I've heard with the DAG deployment, a backup system isn't 
really required because of the database replication, but my mind keeps going 
back to the possibility of database corruption.  Total data to be backed up 
could be 192 terabytes, so it's a large amount of data.  I was wondering what 
other large shops are using for that type of data.  Comments on backup 
strategies for 2010?

Pete Pfefferkorn
University of Cincinnati
Email Services-Systems Engineer
pete.pfefferk...@uc.edu<mailto:pete.pfefferk...@uc.edu>
(513)556-9076


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