Ditto for everything that Ellick said.
I do EVERYTHING in vi, including programming, etc.
It's fast, reliable, works over telnet, etc.
You are most surely asking for flames if you are posting
that kind of stuff here. Alot of us, incl. me are
unix/linux sysadmins. When you are doing remote
administration of 2000+ machines you don't want to
log and and do export DISPLAY=xxx:0; your_favorite_editor
and wait for X to load it over the network, then bother
with the god damn mouse to edit one friggin line in a
config fire. NOT to mention file->open->annoying dialog
box crap. Talk about what is crap! geesh.
<FLAME>
If you can't stand the fire, get out of the kitchen
</FLAME>
Ellick Chan wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote:
>
> > Why did Mandrake pick the most geekyist editor for a setup that is
> > suposto be easy for users?
>
> It's the unix tradition :)
>
> >
> > Anyone else seen this joke of a program?
> >
> Yes, and I use it almost daily
>
> > With Vim all you have to do is spend a half hour trying to get it give
> > you help, then scroll all the way to the bottom of a super long
> > whoopy-do list of usless keyboard commands that you will forget a day
> > after you use them. Please get rid of it!
> >
>
> It's a bit strange at first, but when you use it a lot, it is very
> logically designed.
>
> > thinking? Do they live on this planet? Why does Mandrake support this?
> > Trash it!
> >
> Can't, vi should be a minimal part of every Linux distro, it is standard
> on any Unix system.
>
> > I don't know who thinks this is some great thing, WOW! It has zillions
> > of features! It's not 1982 anymore, we have word processors that have a
> > better human interface than terminals did, get a life geeks! (directed
> > at the guys who wrote and keep updating "vi" and "vim")
> >
> It's the only editor that behaves right on weird terminals such as the
> crappy Micro$oft telnet.
>
> > Why not make the default editor a nice simple one, like maybe pico,
> > where the commands are shown. I can't see anyone using a command line
> > editor for much else than a few simple changes, there are better simple
> > editors in KDE and such. Damn that really pissed me off, and on top of
> > that you guys changed from "vi" (same stupid geeky crap) to "vim" (worse
> > geeky crap) in 7.1 did someone request this? I want to know who!
> >
> That may be ok for beginners, but a hard core sys admin wants vi.
>
> > Sorry for the bandwith waste, had to get this off my chest. Anyone else
> > feel like I do about this?
> >
> This post is asking for a flame when put on expert groups, but I see the
> purpose of an easier editor for beginners. However, Mandrake has a large
> audience to satisfy, including hard core UNIX people. Vi has established
> itself as the standard editor, and it is not easily going to be displaced.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ellick Chan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aug 14
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