On Wednesday 13 March 2002 02:29 pm, you wrote: > Darren King wrote: > >Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip. > >Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a > >house for TV, doesn't mean it's "on"...I don't get the analogy. The > >whole fun of linux is that it's made by people who want to do it, in > >their spare time. Tell me, how much money does Mandrake send down to > >the people who actually write software that they include in their > >distro? And Im not talking about mandrake-specific softare. > > > >Darren > > > >On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 22:59, ed tharp wrote: > >>then again, maybe some of us should consider that the free lunches in > >> life are prepared by someone, and served by some one, do you not tip a > >> waiteress? or maybe the should not bother to bring your food since they > >> only "might" get tipped? how dumd could it be to try and make a living > >> thru the normally good graces of folks. I also wonder if you consider > >> that you should pay for cable tv since the wire is already at the house? > >> > >>On Wednesday 13 March 2002 01:54, you wrote: > >>>There seems to be a movement to "guilt" linux users into paying for > >>>linux these days since it's so good but we didn't buy it. If I wanted > >>>to pay for an OS, I would. I don't so I use linux. Linux vendors like > >>>Mandrake should not have tried to become profitable corporations by > >>>selling a product anyone can legally get for free. > >>> > >>>Darren > >>> > >>>On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 16:08, James wrote: > >>>>On this note a comment if I may... > >>>> > >>>> I've seen a lot of talk about free as in beer. Well don't know where > >>>>you come from but in my neck of the woods beer that is free today > >>>>requires that I buy a round later. In my business I'm trying to Sell > >>>>software management. To many of the VAR's (Value Added Resellers) I > >>>> see just buy a single copy of RH or Mandrake and then install it on > >>>> box after box, after box. To make matters worse they expect RH and > >>>> Mandrake to support it. Partially this is in my opinion the distro's > >>>> own fault, because in the past they have supported it. I've bought > >>>> every box set since 7.0 and one per box I install it on. Why because > >>>> I don't expect MD or anyone else to support software that I didn't > >>>> buy. From my view Mandrake needs the following. > >>>> > >>>>1. DON'T even think about supporting users who don't buy the copy. > >>>> Free support in the e-mail groups ok... but if they call........ sell > >>>> em a support contract. > >>>> > >>>>2. Improve the ability to upgrade a running system. I've got several > >>>> 7.1 and 7,2 systems that I'd love to upgrade but can't afford the time > >>>> to rebuild them after a wipe and install. Data gets in the way. (One > >>>> box has over 5 gigs of Twiki pages alone.) This costs Mandrake money > >>>> because I'm not buying box sets, but rather upgrading manually a piece > >>>> at a time. > >>>> > >>>>3. CO-OP advertising. SuSe RH and Mandrake are all in a bit of a bind. > >>>>Why not pool the funds so to speak and do Linux adds... Scene opens a > >>>> guy asleep in bed. Words appear on the screen. > >>>> > >>>>This is your IT dept at 1am.... thanks to Linux. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Just my 2 cents.... > >>>> > >>>>James > >>>> > >>>>*** Amazon.com save 17 million last quarter by switching to Linux..... > >>>>why is your company still running that other OS? > >>>> > >>>>On 12 Mar 2002 21:13:12 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 10:55, Dave Salovesh wrote: > >>>>>>First, my apologies to any here who may have already heard this > >>>>>>through other channels, and I also ask your forgiveness if I've > >>>>>>missed a thread here where this is being discussed. And lastly, I > >>>>>>hope you don't worry that it might not be most inappropriate for a > >>>>>>part-time Mandrake nobody and full-time NT/2000/MS-SQL/IIS admin to > >>>>>>bring this up. > >>>>> > >>>>>Unfortunately I did not see your post, and posted an alternative story > >>>>>on The Register to the list. But I'm glad that others are taking note > >>>>>of this and taking it to heart. I too think it would be very bad for > >>>>>everybody as a whole and especially bad for the members of this list > >>>>> if MandrakeSoft hit a wall. I think it's time for anybody that cares > >>>>> to become active in their support of MandrakeSoft. > >>>>> > >>>>>Loki bit the dust recently, with some employees not having gotten a > >>>>>paycheck since sometime in 2000. Can anyone say "loyalty?" Mission > >>>>>Critical Linux went down, with the loss of 55 employees. The > >>>>> financial burden is a cross that the Linux world needs to learn how > >>>>> to bear; and fast; it's not too late. MandrakeSoft itself is now > >>>>> activating it's warning lights to give everyone a heads up. > >>>>> > >>>>>The now-unemployed people loved their companies. Their dedication was > >>>>>plain to see. How dedicated are you when you cut back on your > >>>>> groceries for two years just to keep working? For free? > >>>>> > >>>>>I feel that the people of MandrakeSoft are no different with respect > >>>>>for the love they have both for their distribution and their company; > >>>>>it shines through in the product that they produce. If we want to > >>>>>preserve this corporate identity in our marketplace, and continue to > >>>>>enjoy the Mandrake releases, then I personally believe it's time for > >>>>>those of us that care enough to show our support for Mandrake by > >>>>>joining the club. > >>>>> > >>>>>At one time, Windows sold for 200 US$ a copy. For that much money, you > >>>>>could have a 3.3 year subscription to the Mandrake club. It's only 5$ > >>>>>a month; less than the cost of alot of magazine subscriptions. > >>>>> > >>>>>See: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdkfuture.php3 > >>>>> > >>>>>>It seems Mandrake is coming into a financially rough stretch. From > >>>>>>their announcement: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>"Even though all of us here at MandrakeSoft are excited about the > >>>>>>upcoming release, we've also been distracted by financial concerns. > >>>>>>Despite continuous good reviews in the press; despite having millions > >>>>>>of users throughout the world; despite producing an award-winning > >>>>>>Linux distribution that is a solid competitor to both UNIX and > >>>>>>Window$, the Mandrake Linux distribution's short-term future is in > >>>>>>jeopardy due to a simple factor: money." > >>>>> > >>>>>_________________________________________________________ > >>>>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>>---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >>>>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> > >>---- > >> > >> > >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Well, follow the news. Mandrake contributes regularly to several > projects, including KDE, and they salary a few to work on those projects > without any Mandrake-specific project duties. Further, if you paid the > full cost, including the work of volunteers who package about half of > the distro, the price for the three downloadable CDs would be just about > $200. > > Mandrakesoft is involved in other business areas to support producing > the distro, for your benefit and the benefit of others, and no one has a > fabulous salary, most are paid lower than at similar jobs elsewhere. > They are there because they want to be part of the effort. > > I really should not speak out like this, but faced with what appears to > be misinformation, I had to say something. > > Civileme
Good reply Civileme, I support and have supported Mandrake since 6.0 by buying each new release as it hits the local store. -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936
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