--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The question I would have is: Who has the free will? Very much, what
> we consider ourselves to be, is just a bundle of desires impressions,
> reactions etc. This is how most people define themselves. They say:
> this is who I am. And why? Because I wanted it that way. Research
> shows that most of what we want and think are rationalizations, and
> that decisions are formed in the brain a split second before we become
> aware of it! What we do, and what we say why we do something are two
> separate issues! 

Yes. Your view / experience is very similar to mine. (As we have
discussed before -- me perhaps under a different name then.)

>If you call that entity, who decides for you, life or
> God, 

No need to attribute it to God, IMO. Nor to any predestination as
Bronte presents in another post.

>or if it is simply the result of eternally cycling material
> processes is not my point here. My point is the illusory character
> of our selves. 

Yes, the result of action and reaction, learning, and conditioning. I
can't do other than my "nature". My nature is the sum total of the above.

And for the skeptics who "are in control of their lives" -- tell me
one thing: do thoughts just come -- naturally, effortlessly? Or do you
volitional create your thoughts through effort and control? (As per
prior posts, TM checking is the great Mahavakya, IMHO.)

> His belief
> in a separate ego and his own decision-making. An atheist in short
> believes in himself being in charge through his ratio[nal mind] > 
> 
This does not necessarily follow. I can be an atheist or agnostic and
still have POV / experience of non-doership and non-predetermination
(with massive degrees of freedom) -- all with no God, and no
zombiness. Its all just the evolutionary culmination of the "appartus" 
-- mind,intellect, senses,cognitive abilities, education, culture,
upbringing, learning, conditioning -- reacting to its karma. The great
pin ball machine of life. 


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