biosoundbill wrote: > Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are > not Tantric Bija Mantras? > Bill - The so-called TM bija mantras are just common everyday words from the Sanskrit dictionary. They can be found in almost any standard Sanskrit lexicon. For example, Ram, Sri, Nama...nothing esoteric.
In contrast, Buddhist Tantric bijas are all esoteric - sounds that have no semantic meaning. Marshy is not a Tantric Yogi, therefore he would be knowing nothing about any esoteric bijas. He may or may not have been instructed in Sri Vidya by his guru, and Marshy may or may not have read Shankara's Saundarylahari. However, there are no bija mantras to be found in the Rig Veda, the scriptures extolled by the Marshy. If he were to impart any esoteric bija mantras, where whould he have gotten them? If he read them in books, that would be a travesty for him to pass them on - you can get real bija mantras only in an initiation from a tantric guru. There are no bija mantras in Patanjalis Yoga Sutras or in any of the standard Upanishads. That is unless you are suggesting that Marshy was a Tantric Guru - if so, why do you suppose he hasn't shared any of his insights into sexual yoga, and why would he keep all the sex enjoyment techniques to himself? We already know that the Marshy was a sexual deviate - but now you're suggesting that he passed out tantric bija mantras that he read about in a book, without having been an authentic tantric initiate? What's up with that?
