Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are not Tantric Bija Mantras?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > > > Maybe so, but Varada is the mudra of Ratnasambhava, the > third Dhyani Buddha. The Varada Tantra was composed long > after the advent of Buddhist Tantras. The TM mantras are > enumerated in the Saundaryalahari ascribed to Shankara. > > We can assume that Marshy learned about these mantras from > his guru Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, since the Swami was > a devotee of Tripursundari, the main deity of the Saraswati > devotees of Sringeri. Brahmananda's own guru, Swami Krishanand > Saraswati, hailed from Sringeri, the headquarters of the > Saraswati Dandas. > > > I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute > > their power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing > > into shir-ing, Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc > > He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima > > (Pronounced i-ing, i-ing-ah, i-im, and i-eem-ah respectively) > > was he short on mantras, or what? > > > > Again as I said before, Southern pronunciation is slightly > > different, they pronounce the `ii' in a bija as the `ee' in > > the word feet etc,they also tend to use only the anusvara > > `M' ending,where the lips are closed pushing the sound up > > the nasal passages. It sounds more like the `mb' ending in > > the word Numb! > > > > In the North the `ii' is pronounced more like the `i' in > > the words ring, bring, fling, etc > > Some Northerners use the anusvara `M' ending, but more use > > the allegedly more powerful `ng' ending known as anunAsika, > > - > personally I think the anusvara `M' ending is more > > powerful and grounding in the long term. > > > > The late Harish Johari tended to pronounce the bijas with > > `ng' endings combined with the `ee' sound as against the > > `i' sound giving shreeng, hreeng, kreeng, etc > > > > Bottom line no matter what way the bijas are pronounced > > they are all Tantric. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't > > > give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, > > > the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with > > > various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't > > > a tantric yogi in the Nath tradition, therefore he > > > would not be knowing any actual bija mantras. The tantric > > > bija mantras are enumerated in the Buddhist Tantras. > > > There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda, in the > > > Upahishads, or in the Puranas. There are no canonical > > > collections of bija mantras in Hinduism. The Buddhist > > > bija mantras all originated with the Nath Siddhas when > > > India was a Buddhist country. > > > > > >
