biosoundbill wrote: > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > Maybe so, but Varada is the mudra of Ratnasambhava, the third Dhyani Buddha. The Varada Tantra was composed long after the advent of Buddhist Tantras. The TM mantras are enumerated in the Saundaryalahari ascribed to Shankara.
We can assume that Marshy learned about these mantras from his guru Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, since the Swami was a devotee of Tripursundari, the main deity of the Saraswati devotees of Sringeri. Brahmananda's own guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, hailed from Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati Dandas. > I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute > their power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing > into shir-ing, Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc > He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima > (Pronounced i-ing, i-ing-ah, i-im, and i-eem-ah respectively) > was he short on mantras, or what? > > Again as I said before, Southern pronunciation is slightly > different, they pronounce the `ii' in a bija as the `ee' in > the word feet etc,they also tend to use only the anusvara > `M' ending,where the lips are closed pushing the sound up > the nasal passages. It sounds more like the `mb' ending in > the word Numb! > > In the North the `ii' is pronounced more like the `i' in > the words ring, bring, fling, etc > Some Northerners use the anusvara `M' ending, but more use > the allegedly more powerful `ng' ending known as anunAsika, > - > personally I think the anusvara `M' ending is more > powerful and grounding in the long term. > > The late Harish Johari tended to pronounce the bijas with > `ng' endings combined with the `ee' sound as against the > `i' sound giving shreeng, hreeng, kreeng, etc > > Bottom line no matter what way the bijas are pronounced > they are all Tantric. > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't > > give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, > > the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with > > various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't > > a tantric yogi in the Nath tradition, therefore he > > would not be knowing any actual bija mantras. The tantric > > bija mantras are enumerated in the Buddhist Tantras. > > There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda, in the > > Upahishads, or in the Puranas. There are no canonical > > collections of bija mantras in Hinduism. The Buddhist > > bija mantras all originated with the Nath Siddhas when > > India was a Buddhist country. > > >
