Hi Richard, In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are used in TM!
Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Namaste, Billy > [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody > know......... > Richard J. Williams > Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:44 -0800 > > wgm4u wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > Billy - The TM tradition probably originated with the Nath alchemists > of medieval India, the so-called "Eighty-four Mahasiddhas" and with > Matsyendranath, the inventor of Hatha Yoga. This tradition was taken > to Kashmir where it became the Trika system and then later to South > Asia to become the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara. > > According to what I've read, Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishanand > Saraswati of Sringeri. If so, that means that Guru Dev was, like his > teacher, a student of the Sri Vidya, which was established by > Shankara > at Sringeri. Apparently there are three TM bija mantras inscribed on > the Sri Chakra, which is ensconced at the Sringeri temple. > > It is a fact that all the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. > It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at > Dwarka and at the Kanchi Mathas. It is also a fact that all the > Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as > seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. In addition, all > the Shankaracharyas agree that Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari, > with the TM bija mantras included among the thirteeen other bija > mantras. > > According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed > the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras > inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, > Sringeri, Kanchi and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY > related to Sri Vidya. At least three TM bija mantras appear inscribed > on the Sri Chakra. > > According to Swami Rama, Guru Dev was fond of the Sri Chakra and used > one in his puja. So, if the Sri Chakra has the TM mantras written on > it, and Shankara wrote the Soundaryalahari, with the thirteen bija > mantras, three of which are used in the practice of TM, we can assume > that the TM bija mantras used by MMY are derived from the Tantric > Tradition of Shankara as practiced in Kerala State. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > matrixmonitor wrote: > > The Mahareeshee was by No means a sexual deviate! > > He simply had normal sexual relationships, (encounters) > > with various females. > > > So, how would you be knowing anything about the Marshy's > personal sex life? > > > What's wrong with that? > > > Did I say it was wrong? I just said it was deviate, as > reported, on this forum. If you put forth the case that > you are a celibate monk, and then you resort to fornication, > with unmarried female students that work for you, that > certainly is deviating from celibacy. What do you think? > > biosoundbill wrote: > > > > Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are > > > > not Tantric Bija Mantras? > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Bill - The so-called TM bija mantras are just common > > > everyday words from the Sanskrit dictionary. They can > > > be found in almost any standard Sanskrit lexicon. For > > > example, Ram, Sri, Nama...nothing esoteric. > > > > > > In contrast, Buddhist Tantric bijas are all esoteric - > > > sounds that have no semantic meaning. Marshy is not > > > a Tantric Yogi, therefore he would be knowing nothing > > > about any esoteric bijas. He may or may not have been > > > instructed in Sri Vidya by his guru, and Marshy may or > > > may not have read Shankara's Saundarylahari. > > > > > > However, there are no bija mantras to be found in the > > > Rig Veda, the scriptures extolled by the Marshy. If he > > > were to impart any esoteric bija mantras, where whould > > > he have gotten them? If he read them in books, that > > > would be a travesty for him to pass them on - you can > > > get real bija mantras only in an initiation from a > > > tantric guru. > > > > > > There are no bija mantras in Patanjalis Yoga Sutras or > > > in any of the standard Upanishads. > > > > > > That is unless you are suggesting that Marshy was a > > > Tantric Guru - if so, why do you suppose he hasn't > > > shared any of his insights into sexual yoga, and why > > > would he keep all the sex enjoyment techniques to himself? > > > > > > We already know that the Marshy was a sexual deviate - > > > but now you're suggesting that he passed out tantric > > > bija mantras that he read about in a book, without > > > having been an authentic tantric initiate? > > > > > > What's up with that? > > > > > >
