--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > People are people. Each has a complex mix of attributes -- some high > > > in this, some low in that. There are few, I would argue no, cells that > > > can be labeled pure feminine or pure masculine -- in the > > > multi-dimensional space that characterizes the interaction of the many > > > different attribute scales of personal qualities which describe the > > > style and personality of individuals. > > > > > > I agree with this. And yet we all do have our judgments about what > > qualities our genders express. Personalized but compelling for us > > without regard for how other's feel about it. But talk to mothers > > with small kids and they will tell you a lot about gender differences > > not shaped by society. > > I do talk to some young mothers. Testosterone seems to tend to make > little boys bounce off walls -- more than little girls. But remember > that Gilda Radna character -- a young, total wall bouncing girl. > > Regardless of vague, innate genetic tendencies, I suggest that the > force of individuality, and social conditioning, are stronger forces.
I'm pretty sure there are a lot more gender differences obvious early one with some exceptions for individuals who don't fit the pattern. But it all comes out in the play dates. > > So, btw, why are you more of a fan of Maria Sharapova than Andy Roddick? I really dig them both but I'm only gay for Maria. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The style of power exemplified by some > > > > American women is unique to our country according to women that > I have > > > > dated from Russia, South America and Asia. They have a strong > > > > reaction to the masculinized style of some women who have > attempted to > > > > push into male dominated areas. They have told me that the form of > > > > American feminism they have seen is destructive to the style of > power > > > > that women in their own cultures exhibit. > > > > > > This view implies that there is a masculine and feminine style. I > > > question that. > > > > > > > > > > Now I get it that here in the US woman are in a double bind. To > > > > compete with men they end up taking on a style that minimizes their > > > > femininity. > > > > > > And what exactly are the traits of their femininity. And the traits of > > > masculinity? > > > > > > > > > > But is isn't always the case. Here in DC women dominate > > > > much of high tech management and many of them do it without adapting > > > > the harsh strident speech that I was complaining about. > > > > > > This implies that to be a man, to be masculine, one needs to be harsh > > > and strident. > > > > > > > They do it > > > > with a feminine power. > > > > > > And what are the attribute of femminine power? Gentler and kinder? > > > > > > These are all inappropriate and false stereotypes, IMO. People are > > > people. Just in my work group there is a woman that is the harshest, > > > coldest, insensitive -- yet one of the smartest, most articulate and > > > decisive people I know. (And being decisive does not necessarily imply > > > wise, reasoned or justifiable decisions). Several guys are among the > > > most positive, gentle, kind, supportive considerate upbeat people that > > > I know. Are these people simply freaks -- acting outside of their > > > gender roles and genetic destiny? I suggest they are not. > > > > > > People are people. Each has a complex mix of attributes -- some high > > > in this, some low in that. There are few, I would argue no, cells that > > > can be labeled pure feminine or pure masculine -- in the > > > multi-dimensional space that characterizes the interaction of the many > > > different attribute scales of personal qualities which describe the > > > style and personality of individuals. > > > > > > A cartoon, though useful, characterization of human styles is the > > > Brigg-Meyer system. Four dimensions -- with a sliding scale tending > > > towards high and low for each dimension. Thus 16 basic personality > > > types. = 4 dimensions with two basic possibilities (High and Low) = > > > 4^2 = 16. > > > > > > http://www.personalitypathways.com/MBTI_intro.html > > > > > > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > > > > > http://www.net2.com/mb/profile.htm > > > > > > (I am INTP by the way.) > > > > > > But given that one can be anywhere on the scale -- lets say on a 1-10 > > > scale, the system at least hints at vastly more distinct personalities > > > (4^10). > > > > > > I know men and women, most straight, some gay, some young, some old, > > > that fit in many different and various cells of the matrix. In my > > > view, there is no clear masculine space or feminine space. No large > > > uniform patches of red states and blue states -- so to speak. > > > > > > The harsh, cold, insensitive, articulate and decisive women I referred > > > to is not some male wanna-be. Or as some may be thinking, she is > > > clearly not dykish. She is also an attractive woman, dedicated mom, > > > and dates guys -- not that these roles define a woman either -- but I > > > present to counter the stereotypes of her personality and style > > > attributes. (not that male wanna-bes and dykes can't be attractive > > > and good moms too ... see the tangled web we weave when we use > > > stereotypes -- or accept their use and premises by others?) > > > > > > > > > > Guys aren't going to stop focusing on tone > > > > when it comes off like their mother's scolding. > > > > > > And women don't have mother issues? Women can't and don't hear tone > > > in other women that sounds like their mother's scolding? And what > > > about fathers? Are there none that cringe at times at some men's tone > > > as "echoes of dad at his worst"? > > > > > > > > > > I am a big fan of your gender!! > > > > > > And what attributes of the gender are you a fan of? To me, the > > > question makes me ponder -- being a fan also. Am I attracted to false > > > stereo-typical attributes (the kinder gentler side of humanity?). If > > > there are no styles, personalities and personal attributes that can > > > clearly labeled as male and female, what is the attraction -- other > > > than physical? > > > > > > (And is that simply a hormonal reaction -- but thats another story. > > > But 8 year and 80 year old men are not as physically attracted to > > > women, and their body parts, as, say, a 19 year old guy -- at the > > > height of his testosterone rampaging.) > > > > > >
