--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:44 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> > > wrote: > >> > > <Snip> > >> > >>> The final woo woo aspect is the > >>> claim that humans could know about such a connection using ancient > >>> scriptures from a pre-scientific culture who believed in many > >>> forms of > >>> divination. > >> > >> Huh? Are you suggesting that ancient cultures bring absolutely > > nothing > to the table? No valid knowledge of ANYTHING? Whew. We have > > different > views there. > > > > I was putting my finger on the epistemological basis for the claims of > > Joitish. They come from ancient scriptures, not from any empirical > > basis. > > What you're missing here is that these scriptures come from direct > empirical insight from the sages who wrote them. And some of these > are (allegedly) insights into people who would visit a particular > Jyotishi ( I'm speaking of the Surya or Brighu samhita style > Jyotishis here). For example I know a woman who was recognized as a > reincarnation in the Shankaracharya order who presented herself to a > reader of this type using her ordained name (a Sanskrit name), and > after they figured out which palm leaf related to her life, the > Jyotishi read it off and the palm leaf actually contained her birth > name in English. The palms leaves were hundreds of years old. > > Also consider the following--I've had readings from a yogi who goes > into brief samadhis and was able to read off my entire chart and > birth time without ever having any details. He was also able to read > my life in shocking, really breathtaking detail. Any person can, and > I know of dozens who have, go visit this guy and he'll through his > direct empirical insight, tell you the moment of your birth to the > minute. He actually "sees" the moment of your birth like a hologram. > > Now take this one step further, if there is a sage today who can do > this, isn't it also possible sages in the past could have similarly > grokked the planetary machinery as mirror of karmic weather as a set > of rules and techniques? The difference of course is that these texts > rely on sophisticated rules and adherence to these rules to get some > benefit, whereas the Jyotishi-sage has direct insight. There would > clearly be more room for error in a Jyotishi who merely is attempting > to apply rules grokked by an ancient rishi. > > I would challenge anyone who's interested to meet this sage on his > next tour and see how you feel after that experience. How could you > explain that someone could just, from scratch, cognize the moment of > your birth and the precise position of planets in the sky? >
It would convince me that something was going on, can you post who he is and if he ever visits England. > > I was challenging that people can know about such a mechanism > > and proposing that pre-scientific cultures tended to believe > > assertions from priestly classes without any verification required. > > > > There is plenty of stuff from pre-scientific cultures that has passed > > modern standards of proof. Joitish is not one of them. >
