--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" <l.shad...@...> wrote:
I gotta say, this whole topic has added a bit of gravitas to FFL lately. This is profound shit and I greatly appreciate your sharing your thinking process with us. Your friend is lucky to have you as a fellow health advocate for his care. There are so many complicated decisions and it is smart to go in with your eyes wide open. No one has a magic simple solution to complex medical issues. Not being afraid to jump into the complexity and seek different opinions goes against our natural desire to find a simple solution. I went through this with some loved ones so I know how strong the tendency is to stop going deeper and finding more complexity. It gets overwhelming. You are being a good friend and I wish you both good luck. > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Peter <drpetersutp...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The arrogant bias against surgery has destined many > > > individuals within the TMO, and > > > without, to death. Do you think these now-deceased > > > persons made some sort of point by > > > refusing surgery, and then dying ? Apparently there are > > > some huge egos among us who aim > > > for fame from a non-surgical 'cure'. Wow ! > > > > I don't see it as arrogance, more fear (which could be seen as a very > > subtle arrogance, I guess) from ignorance and being perpetually bombarded > > with disinformation about "natural" cures. Once tumors have formed, short of > > a miracle, they have to be cutout or destroyed through radiation or > > chemotherapy. After that, perhaps a healthy diet could have some preventive > > impact on future reoccurrence, but cancer has a strong genetic component > > that no diet will directly impact. > > > > There's a bias in the TMO regarding allopathic medicine. It was recently > > posted here about the Purusha guy who contracted a respiratory infection > > while in India for Maharishi's funeral. He came back to the states, didn't > > do anything other than meditate and take some herbs, developed secondary > > bacterial infections in his lungs and died. This is incredibly stupid. What, > > did he think antibiotics would "ruin" his changes for Enlightenment? > > > > My friend is waiting for his appointment with the prostate cancer specialist > on 9 January 2009. There's nothing wrong with looking at all the > alternatives. This sort of surgery is not like a root canal. It's a pretty > messy recovery period of about a year. > > The first response is, is there an alternative route. A bunch of > alternatives were thrown at me in public and I'm still having to fight off > well meaning but off the mark nutrition and faith healing suggestions. But > it's looking more and more like the robotic surgery, if available for my > friend (if the cancer has not spread), is the way to go. > > But that's not the end of it. I received an interesting PDF file from Johns > Hopkins urging men to get a second and third opinion. It turns out that the > biopsy report is very subject to interpretation and one pathologist will see > cancer all over the place and another will not see any. So making sure the > diagnosis is correct is in the best interest of my good buddy. The > diagnosis will determine the course of treatment and obviously the outcome. > > Fear? Obviously my friend is fearful and I am fearful for him. But the > fact is this appears to be a less cut (pardon the pun) and dried situation, > according to Hopkins, so it is worth the investigation. I don't at all see > my asking if there were a nutritional cure as a bad, proud or magical > thinking question. I asked, I got the answers, I investigated the answers, > they were wanting and are discarded. I'm sending my friend my progress as I > investigate this for him and he agrees which my assessment. Now if my > friend had Gleason 2-5, I would strongly urge him to try an alternate cure > for a few months while being monitored for progress of the cancer. > > I can tell you that /I/ learned about 2 decades ago to cut out the > foolishness about staying in bed and meditating extra because of a "cold". > I was on business in San Francisco. I had this infection in the lungs. I > stayed in for two days and meditated. My boss called me up and asked me > what the Hell I was doing. I told him and he told me that we don't do this > sort of thing on company time. He told me to tell the hotel (it was the > Hyatt in Union Square) to call a doctor for me. The doctor came to my room, > diagnosed me with a pretty serious case of bronchitis, prescribed some > antiobiotics. I had the prescription filled and continued meditating. It > took two more days before I could go do my business. For about 10 years I > ran a tendency to get bronchitis and I've been very careful since then to go > to the doctor, fast. OTOH if I can tell that I've just got a cold, I'll do > the extra meditations but I'll make sure I call the doctor. If I'm told "we > have a lot of that going around, wait a few days then call us back" then > I'll do that. > > I don't think that one should fear or avoid death. But life is a sacred > gift that we hold onto as long as possible. Now I have had friends on THMD > and THP who have died under circumstances where I think they should have > sought real medical health first and foremost. I'll just state that as my > opinion of events and leave it at that. Doctors don't save lives after all, > they prolong them. >
