--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: >
> In the dream state you're not a hampered by time, you can even > play dreams in reverse or examine individual dream elements. Once > one could shatter the constructs of the dreams, you could reduce > it to a bare presence, even less than a 'witness', just a > permeating clear presence. > > Those are some of the tamer examples. Some are simply too bizarre > to share on a public list. Thanks for sharing your stories, Vaj. I figured you'd have had a few, given your studies. The story with your teacher is interesting because it so clearly "maps" from dream state to waking state. You can remember the incident and find some way of expressing it in the waking state because it uses waking state images and metaphors. But did you ever encounter "teachings" in the dream plane that just "don't map" to the waking state at all? I've had that experience many times, and it's always fascinating. The teaching itself was always clear as a bell *in* the dream plane. Whatever was being discussed or whatever ability was being taught was no problem to follow or learn. But upon waking, any attempt to remember it clearly or to put it into words or to even describe it in terms of "everyday reality" failed miserably because the teaching took place in a "separate reality," as Castaneda would put it. Some things just "don't map" from astral to waking. There is no *counterpart* for them in everyday wak- ing reality. They cannot be expressed here or even conceived of here. That is one reason why the Rama guy and at least one Tibetan teacher I've worked with preferred to do some of their teaching in the dream plane. They could "get into things" there in a way that they just can't in the waking state.
